PARANORMAL ACTIVITY: NEXT OF KIN

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Music.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to The Pod and the Pendulum, the horror movie podcast

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that covers all of the franchises, one movie in one episode at a time.

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I'm your host, Mike Znoonian, and I'm joined again in the co-host chair by the

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author of the upcoming book, Millennial Nasties, Horror Movies and Torture Porn in the 2000s, Ms.

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Hellraiser herself, Ms. Ariel Powers-Job. Ariel, how are we?

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I'm great. I'm excited to be here. We've made it through another franchise.

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We have. We are at the end. This is very exciting.

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It's always cool to be at the end. And I'm going to check one thing out here

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because it looks like, are my levels a little bit high?

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Am I super loud right now? Not to me, but I see that the line is really intense

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on yours, But I hear you fine.

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Okay. I'm going to take that down just a hair. There we go. All right.

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But we'll just keep going there. Ari, quick question. Does your name Ari Hellraiser

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come from the Hellraiser movies or the fact that you're out there doing crime

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in your spare time? Which is it?

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It's just because my name is Ariel, which rhymes with hell.

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And it's not very much more creative than that.

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Damn it. All right. Can I say I'm doing crimes?

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That's kind of fun. But you're not really. No, I'm not. But you're not.

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I'm pretty much a rule follower.

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Oh. Yeah. Let's do that. Yeah. The name Ari Hellraiser is kind of a lie.

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Well, that in itself is kind of rule breaking. That's true. Because you're lying.

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It's kind of ironic. All right. It fits.

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So let's talk next of kin. Let's dive right into this kind of reboot,

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reset, ending point. And it looks like it's going to be, at least for the time

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being, an ending point for paranormal activity.

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Let's get our initial thoughts. And I think we're going to diverge on this one

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here. I think we were pretty much in sync when it came to Ghost Dimension.

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We were pretty much on the same page, but we might go to war a little bit on

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this one. I don't think we'll go to war. But the show might end. Oh, no.

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Laptops might be slammed. Microphones tossed. Yes, just might be one of those days.

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I don't think this will be the movie that I will get that strong of feelings about. No, same.

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But what are your initial impressions or thoughts on this one?

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Yeah, so there is a lot that I like about it, but I wanted to like it more than I did.

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I only watched it last week for the first time for the show.

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I hadn't ever just gotten around to it yet.

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And like I don't have I think it's on Paramount Plus. Like I don't have Paramount

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Plus and I don't have a copy of it.

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So I just never really went out of my way to watch it.

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I do like the sort of like taking it to a different direction.

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I like the characters. I like the modern setting.

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Approaching it as a documentary makes a ton of sense.

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I feel like someone who makes documentaries for a living might make a documentary

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about them meeting their birth family.

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So a lot of the setup, I think, is really, really good.

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And where it falls apart for me is just in the execution, which we'll get to.

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So not a favorite of mine but also not

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at the bottom of the pile no okay so

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for me i enjoyed this one quite

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a bit especially on the initial couple watches re-watching it again today i

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can see like especially maybe watching it so closely after watching it the other

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night getting ready for the podcast i'm like okay like i can definitely see

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a bit more of the flaws of it But I think I appreciate that this one was a fresh

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start for the franchise.

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Yeah. Especially after coming off of like six weeks of one storyline and that

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storyline feeling like it only had about three movies worth of material. Exactly. Yeah.

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I felt like I really like these characters a bit. I like that there's a new

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mystery to kind of wrap the head around. I actually like that it plays fast

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and loose with the idea of found footage.

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I'm not necessarily a found footage purist in that it really breaks the rules of found footage films.

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It does, yeah. And I'll talk about what my take on that here shortly. Okay.

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I would much rather have a movie that cheats, and this movie does cheat pretty

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brazenly in terms of what a found footage movie is,

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rather than what I was doing when it came to like part four in Ghost Dimension,

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where like every few minutes it felt like I was pausing the movie going,

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there's how much left in this movie?

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Yeah, at least you're entertained. Yeah. And those last 15 minutes are genuinely crazy.

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Like they're just like, what if we completely fly off the handle with this and

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just do some really weird shit?

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It but at that point i'm like just don't make it found

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footage then yeah oh of course you know like of

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course i and i hate to you know

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i hate to be negative and like i actually

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really do like found footage i haven't sounded like a found footage fan during

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this coverage of this franchise but i really am and i'm just kind of like it

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might be because they're not necessarily good found footage yeah i'm like if

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you're gonna make a found footage movie try to stick to the script If you're

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not going to be able to do that,

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don't make a found footage movie. Easy for me to say, right? I'm not a filmmaker.

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But yeah, this movie really stretches what's realistic about found footage,

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especially one particular moment, which we'll get to.

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This would have been a good episode for me to ask Mary Beth to come back on

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because she's our found footage guru.

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And I think she actually likes this movie. I think she mentioned in passing

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she likes it. And stupid me, I'm not always the best about remembering to reach

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out to potential guests.

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So sorry about that, because I think she can maybe even talk about like where

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this breaks the rules and why that might not be a bad thing.

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I think I actually know that I saw this like the weekend it came out because

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it came out like Halloween weekend in 2021.

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And I remember I want to say it was this in the medium, which debuted on Shudder.

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Like I did like a Halloween double feature and the medium is a much better movie. The medium's great.

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Yeah, the medium is fantastic. If you want like a great found footage movie,

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one that is like scary as hell, I am pretty sure that that is the movie that

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I watched in tandem with Next of Kin while like giving out Halloween candy that

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year. I think I'm like, I'll make this my double feature.

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And I really enjoyed it.

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And we'll talk about why in a little bit here. But before we do that,

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let's talk not a ton of background on this movie.

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This and Ghost Dimension are really kind of like the forgotten movies in this franchise.

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Like they're kind of the Cousin Olivers of the series.

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So like we talked about last week, Paranormal Activity, The Ghost Dimension

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was promoted as the final installment.

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But in June 2019, Paramount announced that a seventh installment and a standalone

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sequel was in development.

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This was announced in the quote unquote before times, you know,

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we all kind of have a before lockdown and after lockdown now.

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So there were no plot details at that point. Just sort of seventh installment is coming. Strap in.

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Yep. Just like if you're a fan of the series, new movies coming.

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That's it. And that's all they told us. So by November of that same year,

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a release date of March 19th, 2021 was announced, pitting it against Tomb Raider

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2, which I don't remember at all.

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If that is a thing. I don't even remember the first Tomb Raider.

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Yeah, like I haven't seen them. I don't remember thinking about them.

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And they're hits. Are they? Like they're not unsuccessful movies.

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Okay, cool. Good for them.

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Good for you, Tomb Raider. Yeah, good job, Tomb Raider.

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Outlets would... You keep tombing. Still Tomb Raider 3, still tombing.

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Electric Boogaloo. Still raiding, I guess. I guess. Yes. Okay.

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So, Outlets would talk about the near billion dollars the franchise had made

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worldwide. That is paranormal activity, not Tomb Raider.

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While also quickly pointing out how the past few entries had brought in lower returns.

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Yeah, that was something I found like in doing research for this,

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like every article that was talking about the new movie coming out would talk

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about like how it had made about 900 as a whole, like the six movies had pulled in over $900 million,

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how they cost less than like $30 million to produce.

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But you know part the marked ones

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in ghost dimension you know we're seeing like

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significantly smaller returns like ghost dimension in particular they talked

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about how like domestically it didn't make like twice of it twice its budget

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back and how it was like making significantly less than the previous movies

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like outlets are actually pointing out like hey this series is probably on its last legs yeah,

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And then COVID happened. What? Yeah. What was that? I can barely remember.

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It didn't change my life drastically.

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So COVID obviously pushed, my goodness, COVID obviously pushed everything back.

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And a director wasn't announced until February of 2021.

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William Eubank, who had directed Kristen Stewart in Underwater,

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would direct a script from longtime paranormal activity stalwart Christopher Landon. We got him back.

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It was confirmed to be a reboot rather than a continuation of the previous films.

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Yeah. Have you seen Underwater? No, I really want to. It's one of those I just haven't gotten to yet.

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It's great. It was the last movie I saw in theaters before. Yeah.

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Everything shut down in 2020.

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Do you know the twist of it? No, I don't think so. Okay. Or the big spoiler at the end of it?

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I don't think so. So I don't know if I should reveal it or not for like a four year old movie.

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I mean, I want to watch it. So if you think it'll ruin it for me,

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then don't. I don't think it'll ruin. Okay.

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It's basically it's Cthulhu. Okay. That I did know.

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Okay. Yeah. The end of the movie. It's like, is that? And you're like,

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that's fucking Cthulhu.

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And Eubank was like, yep, that's Cthulhu.

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Awesome. them it more people should

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see underwater like kristen stewart's awesome

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in it it's a great action horror piece you know it ties into like the lovecraftian

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mythos in a pretty fun way it was pretty fantastic it was especially a blast

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to see like in the theaters as well so like it's a you know eubank definitely

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has some chops yeah i i do want to see it it was on my list,

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I have, so we put up a Halloween tree every year and leave it up through Christmas.

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It's an upside down black tree with purple lights. It's very fun.

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Okay. I have a Cthulhu ornament that I did put up and I also have like a cocktail

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spoon, you know, like a long cocktail spoon that has Cthulhu on the end of it.

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Okay. Yeah. Just kind of fun. Very cool. Yeah. I like Cthulhu imagery.

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What is an upside down tree?

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It's a fake tree, so that helps. It's like a Christmas tree shape,

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so the pointy part is on the bottom attached to the base, and then it sort of

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winds at the top. It kind of looks like a tornado.

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Got it. I did think about getting a bunch of shark ornaments and making a Sharknado

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tree, but then we watched Sharknado and did commentary on it,

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and I probably am not going to do that.

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You're like, this movie is so terrible. dude it was yeah yeah oh yes you could

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do a jaws themed tree i could but then it's like the shark nato thing doesn't

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what if you remake jaws but then there's a tornado during the remake.

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Oh i mean jaws nato that's got to be a thing yeah we can workshop that would be better,

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speilberg get on it yeah okay so

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and listeners if you haven't listened to our

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jaws series from last summer go back and listen to that it was really fun it's

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really fun so a quote from christopher landon to screen rant about the production

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note someone at the studio presented us with a chart and it was like these are

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the acceptable things that you can do and these are the things you can't do.

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They were designated in a specific order, and at the very top was you can't

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kill a dog, and then under that was a baby, and 10 down was a cat.

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Our priorities as a society are very fucked up because dog is above baby,

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but I also understand that. I'm a dog lover.

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What do you think of that? What are our thoughts? What a silly quote.

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It's just like, okay, I'm trying to get my thoughts together.

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Cats, the thing that jumps out is cats getting the short end of the shrift right there.

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Like cats are, what is between baby and cats? That was my wonder too.

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You know, it's, the website is doesthedogdie.com, not doesthecatdie.

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I think it's just hard. I mean, I'm also a dog person, so it's just harder to watch on screen.

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It's very interesting to me that they would give him this note for this movie

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because, like, none of the paranormal activity movies have hurt him.

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A cat or a dog or a baby, really. I mean, they kidnap children, but.

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Like Abby the dog gets hurt, but it survives. Yeah. So I'm kind of like,

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why is this note necessary?

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Maybe Christopher Landon came in hot with his pitch.

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And he was like, this is the paranormal activity where the demon just kills

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dogs indiscriminately.

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Like the inciting you know you know what's hot

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right now is like john wick and what we're gonna

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do is we're gonna have the movie start like

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john wick style where katie's gonna

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come in and just like rip the throat out of like 30 dogs and it's gonna be super

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graphic and on screen and then the next thing she's gonna do is take two babies

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and smash them together like she's stone cold Stone Cold Steve Austin smashing piers.

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That's the exact image I had in my head was the Steve Weisers. Yeah.

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Then Katie's going to scream, oh, hell yeah.

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It's paranormal activity time. Katie 316 says it's paranormal activity.

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And then smash cut paranormal activity next of kin night two.

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And paramount said okay

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we need to come up with a list of things you're

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not allowed to do christopher so maybe

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that's why there's a list no more cocaine yes that's

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really funny i'm hearing the breaking glass in my

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head that would be amazing yes the

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idea of smacking two babies together and very good very very good someone needs

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to do that now someone needs to like make that movie not with real babies listeners

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no mike we're gonna get put on a list,

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what i don't know but i don't want to be on some idea people.

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Maybe. All right. Okay. To the next note here.

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So anyway, after getting, I do want to know what was three through nine.

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We'll never know. Cats really do get like the short end of the stick there.

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So Paramount, like after this announced shortly afterwards, their film was not

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going to go to theaters, but next of kin would debut on their streaming platform.

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Form paramount plus is part of a

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push to entice subscribers with original

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content and that would come out in between a

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pair of other horror movies one of them being

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called the in between and other being a

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sequel us or a prequel to the pet cemetery

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remake pet cemetery bloodlines which just

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came out last year actually which i

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haven't seen either of those and i don't think

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i remember hearing about the in-between me neither okay i like read a synopsis

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of it and i'm like yeah bloodlines is not good that's not that's what i've heard

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it's not good not only is it completely unnecessary necessary,

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but it's like shot in a way where you can't really see what's going on.

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Like it's just way too dark.

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So, I mean, it's a weird complaint. It's like that old complaint,

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like the food at this restaurant is terrible and the portions are way too small,

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but it's just, it's not a good movie. Okay.

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And this kind of continues what we talked about.

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Last time with Ghost Dimension, where Ghost Dimension didn't go quite direct

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to streaming, but it went to video on demand like very, very quickly.

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Like it was before the times when Paramount and Universal and HBO Warner Brothers

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and Disney all had their own streaming platforms.

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Now all of these companies do and all of them are obsessed with basically getting

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their own content and being their own kind of like their own delivery service

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than their own factory farms and creating their own content thinking, hey,

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we're going to just skip theatrical completely. We'll keep all the profit.

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If we put enough content out on these services, people will subscribe to us indefinitely.

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And they'll just, we'll get that $9.99, $11.99, or however much it is every

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month indefinitely if we just keep putting stuff out there.

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And I think it's really hurt. I think we're finding a couple years after streamers

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have tried to do this, it's not really successful. Right, because people don't want to pay.

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It's like back when you had to pick cable packages with certain channels and

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you didn't want to pay for the channels you weren't going to watch.

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People don't want to pay $11.99 for 10 different streaming services every month.

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You might pick and choose and take your free trials and can't,

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you know, put it on for two months and then cancel it so you can watch a show

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if you're really organized.

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But like a lot of people just sort of opt out of the whole thing because it's

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kind of a pain to keep track of. Exactly.

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Netflix is the one people have just because like it was the first.

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Yeah, it's kind of the foundation. The big one. Yeah. Right.

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Prime is the one that people have just because so many people have Amazon Prime.

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It kind of comes with it. Yeah. I don't think anybody subscribes to Amazon Prime for their content.

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I think they just see it as a freebie. Yes. It gets tossed in.

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I'm really mad though because they put ads in.

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And I'm like, what are we paying for? I'm really I'm

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like really legit mad about that I canceled

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my prime subscription because of

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that okay and then realized my wife had a

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separate one which I didn't realize so I'm like oh I can just piggyback off

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of yours I didn't realize we could share it so I don't mind it if it's at the

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beginning of a movie or a show like if you want to show me like two minutes

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of ads before a movie I can just as easily like hit play,

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go throw a bag of popcorn and, you know, like load the dishwasher and then come back. Right.

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Like, I don't mind that. But when you're watching a movie and have that interrupted,

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you know, like it's some random point during the movie, like makes no sense.

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I fucking hate that. And I accept it from Tubi because Tubi's free.

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Yeah, because it's a free service. And Tubi has a ton of stuff you can't find anywhere else.

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So I'm like, Tubi, I will watch your ads or I will go get another Diet Coke during your ads.

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Yeah. But Amazon Prime. And you know that up front. Crazy. Yeah.

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I had HBO Max, or just Max now, because why would you want the HBO brand name,

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which has been synonymous for quality for like four decades?

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Why would you want that? Who would? Yeah, it's very silly. We had that as part

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of like our AT&T phone service for a year.

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And then I switched to T-Mobile to get on my wife's plan.

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But AT&T never changed it for about 10 months.

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So for a year we were getting it for free or 10 months you were getting it for

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free until like literally last week. Dang it.

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Like they start like right on the streaming service themselves now if you were to say like hey,

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next of kin is going to play in theaters

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and then 90 days after that

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it's going to play exclusively on paramount plus like that's the only place

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you're going to be able to stream it unless you like pay six bucks to rent it

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or 20 bucks to buy it somewhere we're not going to be on Netflix or HBO or Peacock,

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that is the way to go, I think. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

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And I don't want to get Paramount Plus because I just don't want to pay for

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another channel, but at least it makes sense.

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The one that I pay for is Peacock. I think they have enough good stuff on there

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between the movies, the TV shows, the WWE content, and some live sports.

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Like, that's the one where I'm like, all right, I'll watch Parks and Rec twice

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a year. Yeah. So that's worth it.

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And Peacock was doing the thing where, like, we'll put a movie in theaters,

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but the same day put it on our streaming service.

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Like, that makes no sense to me. Yeah.

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During COVID, I got it. Yes. But now, like, it doesn't make any sense.

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Yes. During COVID, it was, like, a wonderful thing for accessibility and maintaining our sanity.

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When, you know, when we're not in lockdowns, it doesn't make as much sense. No. Look at Pixar.

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Pixar, at one point, was probably, like, the most valuable and valued brand name. Mm-hmm.

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And like movies like you knew if you put Pixar in front of it,

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it was going to be super high quality.

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It was going to be super entertaining.

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Families are going to like kids would love it. Adults would love it.

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Like I could bring Ada to the movie, like with the exception of like the good

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dinosaur and maybe the cars sequels.

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Like I was going to walk out of there being like, I saw a pretty damn good movie

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and they were going to make a shit ton of money.

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And then they like we're going to put everything on disney

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plus first and we're going to bypass the theaters and

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all of the sudden like pixar's like not making

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any money and when they put things in theaters like they're not

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making anything like they use and it feels like that brand is not nearly what

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it once was and it should be pretty interesting like i hope inside out three

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two is fantastic it looks really fun and i hope they get back on track yeah

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yeah especially because the original is so good.

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And the movies they put out, like Soul was really good. Coco was really good. I loved Soul.

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Yeah. Yeah. But people didn't want to go. I think it was Red Panda, Pixar, or just Disney.

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I want to say it was Pixar, but I could be wrong. Yeah, I also want to say it

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was Pixar, but I also get this wrong a lot. Red Panda was awesome, though. Yeah.

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Turning Red? Is that what it was? Turning Red, yes. Yeah, that movie was incredible.

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Like the movies didn't get any worse. Like the movies didn't go down in quality. That's true. True.

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But because they were seen as like, oh, this is just like content for the streaming gristle.

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They weren't seen as as valuable or as valued as they once were.

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And I think that's what happens when you're just like creating content for the streamer.

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And now, like you're going back to the old days where like HBO is like,

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eh, here's a bunch of our shows, Netflix, like instead of putting it on our

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streamer, we're going to like just take money from you and you can put it on your service as well.

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So we're kind of back to what it's already always was to begin with. Yes. Yay. Yay.

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Content. Consuming content.

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So speaking of content, what does Jason Blum have to say about all this,

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Ari? Oh, something probably really, really insightful. Mm-hmm.

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In an interview with Collider, Jason Blum said, Paramount wanted to continue

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paranormal activity. I probably would have left it alone.

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So they wanted to continue it, but I thought if they were going to continue

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it, you gotta... It was tired. There was no way to continue the road we'd been down.

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So I really encouraged all the creative people involved to think of something new.

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Smashing babies together. For example. Killing dogs.

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A lot of people who are going to go see the new Paranormal Activity were three

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years old when the first Paranormal Activity came out. First of all, rude.

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So they don't even know from those older movies. I thought if you were going

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to redo it, you better really redo it, not try to expand what we did all those years ago.

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So once again, Jason Blum sort of takes a sideways backdoor approach into making

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a good point, but he does it by taking the most asshole route possible.

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He like insults everybody on the way and ends up at a good point.

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You're like, God damn it.

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Yeah. I mean, he's not wrong. And by this point, Blumhouse was kind of like

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past this kind of movie. Like this was the kind of movie.

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Built like just like with new line cinema new line

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like bob shay was always like a nightmare

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in elm street freddy krueger is what built

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new line cinema and he was always grateful that for that and always protective

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and like low budget horror is always what built blumhouse but by this time like

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he's getting they're getting oscar nominations for things like whiplash for

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get out Like he has Oscars now.

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He's doing like slightly bigger movies.

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They're not really making these like micro budget, not big, big,

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big picture movies anymore.

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But now like they're getting David Gordon Green and they're doing the Halloween

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sequels and they're not making like 100 million dollars on a movie.

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But they're making like hundreds of millions of dollars on the Halloween sequels on Get Out.

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Yeah on movies like that so his sights

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are set like much larger than something

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like this so he's kind of leaving it in the rearview mirror yep

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yep and there just seems there's no nostalgia in

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this guy's no and it's like

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paranormal activity was the foundation

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for blumhouse like show a little love to the

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franchise yeah yeah ah

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so no budget yeah that was

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weird i can't find this film's budget anywhere

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no okay so it's not just me

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and my terrible googling skills nope couldn't

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find it on box office mojo couldn't find

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it on some other like box office areas and maybe

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because it went direct to streaming they're not really yeah

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um putting it out there so but i can't imagine

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that it's more than like

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the ghost dimension i can't imagine they spent more than like five to ten million

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dollars on this yeah yeah i just thought it was weird that i couldn't find it

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but okay although it does have a slightly i guess bigger cast than most of the

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pa movies and it does Because I wonder,

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like, there's not a lot of behind-the-scenes things. Like, did they build these sets?

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You know, things of that nature. And there's some CGI.

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A little bit. So I do wonder, but I was like, I cannot find this.

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So it debuted on October 29th, 2021, along with the making of documentary for

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all of the Paranormal Activity movies on Paramount+, which I haven't seen.

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It's okay. Okay. It's like a 90 minute documentary and it gives a little bit

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more time to the first movie.

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But then it like kind of equal amount of time to the rest of them.

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And it's not a super in-depth behind the scenes look really at any of them.

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You could honestly, not to humble brag,

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but I think especially with our first few episodes, like we put a lot more information

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into like the behind the scenes, like how did this get made than like the documentary actually does.

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Got it so we do do a lot of research so

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we do this was a nice little because

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that's one of my complaints about like the blu-rays is

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like there is not a lot on there yeah and

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it's especially weird because or especially

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for the first movie like orin pelly is someone we talked

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about in that first movie who like learned filmmaking

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by basically going through the supplemental yes materials

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of movies and you think like that

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was when physical media was at its height

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you think you would like stuff this thing to

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the gills yeah and it just might be there wasn't a lot

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because they might have just like cut that thing to the bone but like

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there's like no commentaries there's nothing like that at all i mean how much

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would it have cost to get like katie and mika to do like a commentary yeah for

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the movie where you could have like mika verbally assaults katie like he does

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in the movie for a night they could do it in character and he could just be a complete creep.

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You could probably get him back for that. Do it for a couple of Sizzler coupons.

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Does the Sizzler still exist?

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Somewhere it must. It must. Let's find out. Let's do a quick internet research

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while you do the next one.

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Okay. So while we're checking on the wellness of Sizzler, let's talk about the critical response.

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So the Rotten Tomatoes consensus reads, Paranormal Activity Next of Kin gives

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the long-running found footage franchise a new level of visual polish.

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Unfortunately, effective scares are few and far between.

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And on Metacritic, the film has a score of 37 out of 100 based on reviews from

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13 critics, indicating generally unfavorable reviews.

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Most said they were happy to see the series go in a new direction,

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but the scares were too few.

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Yeah, I mean, the thing I liked about it was the going in a new direction.

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Yeah okay to answer your

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question it looks like california there

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00:33:21,050 --> 00:33:24,070
are a number of locations okay looking at

439
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:32,610
lake forest more moreno valley west valley city it looks like there are also

440
00:33:32,610 --> 00:33:38,850
some in utah and idaho okay so nothing east of the mississippi river it looks

441
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:41,070
like it's all there's There's a bunch in Idaho and Utah.

442
00:33:41,790 --> 00:33:51,150
There are a fair amount of, I can't get a feel for how many total locations of the Sizzler are left,

443
00:33:51,410 --> 00:33:57,370
but it looks like there's at least about 30 or 40. They're alive and well out west.

444
00:33:57,730 --> 00:34:00,870
Yeah. Okay. Good to know. I was concerned for a minute.

445
00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:05,750
Good to know that there are still Sizzlers around. It is a comforting thought.

446
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:08,090
It is a comforting thought. Okay.

447
00:34:08,970 --> 00:34:11,830
But yes, critics did not like this. Yeah. Yes.

448
00:34:12,871 --> 00:34:17,891
So another quote from Christopher Landon to IndieWire about being done with the franchise.

449
00:34:18,711 --> 00:34:23,231
We made one during COVID, and it was one of those things that just kind of happened.

450
00:34:23,331 --> 00:34:26,511
And I had no intention of even really being involved because I was like,

451
00:34:26,591 --> 00:34:30,031
oh, I'm done with that franchise. I really don't want to do it, he said.

452
00:34:30,391 --> 00:34:34,271
And then I had this whole weirdo idea about a fake Amish community,

453
00:34:34,431 --> 00:34:35,871
and we ended up making the movie.

454
00:34:36,251 --> 00:34:39,091
I mean, it's a franchise. They're always going to make another one.

455
00:34:39,451 --> 00:34:42,371
I don't see how they don't. I just don't know what they're planning,

456
00:34:42,451 --> 00:34:44,051
and I highly doubt I'll be involved anymore.

457
00:34:44,691 --> 00:34:47,331
Well, probably not after that. Yeah.

458
00:34:48,171 --> 00:34:52,711
Super enthusiastic. Well, I don't know. I had a weird idea. We just kind of

459
00:34:52,711 --> 00:34:55,011
did it. Like, that's how movies get made.

460
00:34:55,631 --> 00:34:59,371
Yeah. Like, Hollywood, where dreams come true.

461
00:35:00,111 --> 00:35:04,631
Yeah. I mean, if you're him, you got to feel a little burned, like you did. For sure.

462
00:35:05,171 --> 00:35:09,351
Happy Death Day 1 and 2. The first one is wildly successful.

463
00:35:09,351 --> 00:35:12,351
Successful second one although not as

464
00:35:12,351 --> 00:35:18,551
successful as the first still pretty successful turns a healthy profit and you

465
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:22,911
know you have like a great idea for the third movie and that's going to cap

466
00:35:22,911 --> 00:35:31,691
the series and i gotta if you're christopher landon and you let's face it you've made jason and Blum,

467
00:35:31,711 --> 00:35:34,671
a very rich man. Yeah. Right? Yep.

468
00:35:35,451 --> 00:35:39,651
You've, through your efforts with, because it's through his work.

469
00:35:40,751 --> 00:35:45,271
Whether or not I like the direction this series went in with part two and beyond,

470
00:35:45,511 --> 00:35:49,911
a lot of people do, and a lot of people paid to go see these movies. Absolutely.

471
00:35:50,731 --> 00:35:56,511
I mean, they made, like, a lot of money, and they really helped launch Blumhouse.

472
00:35:57,191 --> 00:36:03,051
If you're Christopher Landon, what do you need to make Happy Death Day 3? Like, $5 million?

473
00:36:03,591 --> 00:36:09,531
$10 million? That is, like, pocket change from, like, what this series has made.

474
00:36:09,531 --> 00:36:12,071
They need to give it to Halloween movies have made. Right.

475
00:36:12,351 --> 00:36:18,951
And meanwhile, you're looking at I can't think of the guy that just directed Imaginary.

476
00:36:19,131 --> 00:36:20,731
Oh, yeah. Fantasy Island.

477
00:36:20,951 --> 00:36:26,131
I can't think of his name, but it just seems like the guy that keeps failing upwards.

478
00:36:26,311 --> 00:36:30,831
Like none of his movies seem to be very good. No one seems to really like them

479
00:36:30,831 --> 00:36:33,971
very much. And he keeps getting these projects. Yeah.

480
00:36:34,491 --> 00:36:37,491
Interesting. right like is anyone out

481
00:36:37,491 --> 00:36:40,211
there crying out for like

482
00:36:40,211 --> 00:36:43,231
imaginary two not that i've heard

483
00:36:43,231 --> 00:36:47,431
no happy death day however right

484
00:36:47,431 --> 00:36:51,731
if you're landon you're probably like i'm done i just don't want to do this

485
00:36:51,731 --> 00:36:56,451
anymore and then you get handed scream seven and you're like fuck yeah scream

486
00:36:56,451 --> 00:37:01,491
seven like this is gonna make a shit ton of money and everyone's i got you know

487
00:37:01,491 --> 00:37:05,311
melissa barrera i've I've got Jenna Ortega at the height of her powers.

488
00:37:05,411 --> 00:37:09,231
Like the last one made a shit ton of money. Like this is going to be great.

489
00:37:09,331 --> 00:37:11,451
It's going to launch me to a whole new stratosphere.

490
00:37:12,051 --> 00:37:17,091
And then that movie just implodes like a dying star.

491
00:37:17,391 --> 00:37:21,751
Yeah. And he's like and he gets blamed for a lot of it.

492
00:37:22,503 --> 00:37:25,343
For not doing anything. He got blamed for a lot of it?

493
00:37:25,583 --> 00:37:32,683
Well, blamed is too strong a word. When Melissa Barrera was getting unfairly

494
00:37:32,683 --> 00:37:40,183
removed from the project for speaking out against the genocide of the Palestinians,

495
00:37:40,183 --> 00:37:46,323
when she was making just pretty valid points on her social media and then getting unfairly removed.

496
00:37:46,323 --> 00:37:49,723
Moved he didn't like say anything

497
00:37:49,723 --> 00:37:52,743
like really in her defense he just

498
00:37:52,743 --> 00:37:57,363
kind of kept his head down and was doing the work behind the scenes and a lot

499
00:37:57,363 --> 00:38:02,423
of people would unfairly come at him online i see and he's like can you just

500
00:38:02,423 --> 00:38:07,443
leave me alone like there's really not much i can say and it just became hellish

501
00:38:07,443 --> 00:38:11,243
for him it sounds like you know he's like you don't really know the whole story

502
00:38:11,243 --> 00:38:12,483
of what I'm trying to do here.

503
00:38:13,323 --> 00:38:17,163
And then he quickly, I think, soon thereafter left the project.

504
00:38:17,303 --> 00:38:22,803
And it just sounds like what went from being a dream project to like a really

505
00:38:22,803 --> 00:38:26,663
hellish experience pretty quickly for him. Yeah. And really unfortunate.

506
00:38:27,363 --> 00:38:30,903
Which is too bad. It is. I don't know if I love all of his projects,

507
00:38:30,983 --> 00:38:35,503
but he's got a pretty creative mind. He at least comes up with some pretty fun ideas.

508
00:38:35,963 --> 00:38:41,183
I think deep down, he just wants to make Back to the Future over and over again. Yeah.

509
00:38:41,483 --> 00:38:48,043
But, you know, he seems OK. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully we'll see a lot more from him.

510
00:38:48,823 --> 00:38:56,243
So back to Mr. Blum. He didn't mince words on his feelings about Next of Kim. him.

511
00:38:56,483 --> 00:39:01,623
Speaking to Variety at the Locarno Film Festival in August of 2022,

512
00:39:02,023 --> 00:39:04,363
he said, It has been enough already.

513
00:39:04,643 --> 00:39:06,643
The last paranormal activity was terrible.

514
00:39:07,063 --> 00:39:10,623
With Halloween, we only had the rights to three movies, so we said,

515
00:39:10,743 --> 00:39:13,503
Halloween ends. It ends for Blumhouse, at least.

516
00:39:13,843 --> 00:39:17,183
With other things, you just have a feeling it's time to put them to bed.

517
00:39:17,463 --> 00:39:21,083
It would come back if some director I love, like Scott Derrickson,

518
00:39:21,143 --> 00:39:25,143
said, I have a great idea for a paranormal activity movie, But it's not something

519
00:39:25,143 --> 00:39:26,383
I want to do at the moment.

520
00:39:27,473 --> 00:39:33,033
Dude, don't call your own movies terrible. Yeah. You absolute brat.

521
00:39:33,973 --> 00:39:38,713
Yeah. Right in the press. I mean, if you're William Eubank, why would you want

522
00:39:38,713 --> 00:39:39,953
to go work for this guy again?

523
00:39:40,313 --> 00:39:43,933
Right? Right. Well, and like. If you're Christopher Landon, why would you want

524
00:39:43,933 --> 00:39:45,173
to go work for this guy again?

525
00:39:45,433 --> 00:39:48,533
It wouldn't make anybody want to go work for him because like,

526
00:39:48,573 --> 00:39:50,153
what if he calls my movie terrible?

527
00:39:50,953 --> 00:39:54,833
Yeah. Like, dude, you put your money up. So take some responsibility.

528
00:39:55,513 --> 00:39:59,453
And this is where i feel like if this movie if

529
00:39:59,453 --> 00:40:03,073
it costs five million to make and it

530
00:40:03,073 --> 00:40:05,993
went out in theaters and made 50 million

531
00:40:05,993 --> 00:40:12,453
and jason blum gets his cut from that and gets to put that in his pocket he's

532
00:40:12,453 --> 00:40:15,873
not saying this yeah that's probably true because this is a guy that's like

533
00:40:15,873 --> 00:40:20,573
driven by like blumhouse is a very bottom line driven and they have like a formula

534
00:40:20,573 --> 00:40:24,293
and good for them like Like, I'm not even saying that like it's a negative thing.

535
00:40:24,313 --> 00:40:31,293
It's like they run their studio like a business and they've given a lot of persons like to their credit.

536
00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:34,733
They've given a lot of filmmakers a lot of autonomy.

537
00:40:34,913 --> 00:40:40,133
And they've said, like, you can do whatever you want creatively.

538
00:40:40,533 --> 00:40:44,473
We're going to completely stay out of your way. You want to kill babies on screen?

539
00:40:44,633 --> 00:40:47,473
Go ahead. You want to kill some dogs? Go ahead.

540
00:40:47,953 --> 00:40:53,013
Cats? Oh, we don't even give a fuck about cats. They're not even in our top 100.

541
00:40:53,333 --> 00:40:57,273
Like, this is all like that list. That's a paramount thing. We don't give a shit whatsoever.

542
00:40:59,153 --> 00:41:02,053
But you can do whatever you want. But like, this is our budget.

543
00:41:02,153 --> 00:41:03,113
This is the expectation.

544
00:41:03,413 --> 00:41:08,913
And it has to do at least this well. And when you remove that on a project like

545
00:41:08,913 --> 00:41:12,353
this, he no longer really cares about it.

546
00:41:12,393 --> 00:41:16,973
And he feels like maybe emboldened to say stuff like this.

547
00:41:17,373 --> 00:41:20,233
It clearly doesn't hurt him at all.

548
00:41:20,233 --> 00:41:23,833
Like no yeah no i mean

549
00:41:23,833 --> 00:41:26,953
we've seen clips of him in interviews like with

550
00:41:26,953 --> 00:41:31,713
with like horror journalists that we really like and respect and we see those

551
00:41:31,713 --> 00:41:37,613
clips and it looks like he doesn't want to be there absolutely at all and it's

552
00:41:37,613 --> 00:41:45,673
just like come on yeah absolutely yeah so thanks thanks jason and Blum. Yeah.

553
00:41:45,773 --> 00:41:50,873
And it just feels like Blumhouse now their focus is on things like.

554
00:41:52,031 --> 00:41:55,471
Look, I'm older and not everything is going to be made for me.

555
00:41:55,531 --> 00:41:57,931
And that is totally 100% fun. Yes.

556
00:41:58,091 --> 00:42:03,131
Totally cool. Of course. But it feels like the whole focus of that studio is

557
00:42:03,131 --> 00:42:08,211
on things like Five Nights at Freddy's and a much younger crowd.

558
00:42:08,491 --> 00:42:11,951
And I'm just, that's not all about that.

559
00:42:12,051 --> 00:42:17,251
Did you see Torn Hearts a couple years ago? Did not. I did not. It's really good.

560
00:42:17,631 --> 00:42:19,471
Directed by Bria Grant.

561
00:42:20,431 --> 00:42:23,531
Oh, wait a minute. Yeah. Keep going. I'm sorry.

562
00:42:23,631 --> 00:42:28,971
Keep going. It's a Blumhouse movie and it's got, oh gosh, a super famous actress.

563
00:42:29,391 --> 00:42:32,971
I did see this. This is awesome. Yes. With Katie Segal. Yes.

564
00:42:33,331 --> 00:42:35,711
Yes. I absolutely love this.

565
00:42:36,111 --> 00:42:40,491
And I feel like it flew under the radar as a good Blumhouse movie.

566
00:42:40,991 --> 00:42:43,431
And Bria Grant kicks ass. Because it was straight to Hulu, wasn't it?

567
00:42:43,511 --> 00:42:48,291
I think so. I watched it on a screener for Ghouls. Okay. Yeah.

568
00:42:48,791 --> 00:42:53,471
Yeah. This wasn't a theatrical movie. No. This is one of like the streaming

569
00:42:53,471 --> 00:42:55,591
movies they do. Yeah. Torn Hearts was great.

570
00:42:56,231 --> 00:43:01,791
So everybody go watch Torn Hearts because Bria Grant fucking rules. Yeah.

571
00:43:02,691 --> 00:43:07,431
Anyway, I got us way off track there. No, you didn't. You did not.

572
00:43:07,931 --> 00:43:11,731
So. I did there. It was just by trashing Jason Blumhouse. I mean,

573
00:43:11,731 --> 00:43:14,571
listen. Jason Blum. It's what we do. Whose house?

574
00:43:15,531 --> 00:43:19,771
Blumhouse. Blumhouse. Okay. Edit that part out. No, keep it. Leave it in.

575
00:43:20,551 --> 00:43:24,011
Let's talk this movie. Let's do it. Listen, the found footage,

576
00:43:24,171 --> 00:43:28,891
we've already kind of touched on the found footage bit of this is a stretch.

577
00:43:29,131 --> 00:43:30,991
Okay. I'm going to blow your mind. Okay, I'm ready.

578
00:43:31,511 --> 00:43:33,931
This is not a found footage movie. Okay.

579
00:43:34,691 --> 00:43:41,311
This is a movie about people making a movie. It's not meant to be a found footage movie.

580
00:43:41,691 --> 00:43:47,291
It is just a regular film about people making a documentary.

581
00:43:47,291 --> 00:43:52,811
And that's why it breaks the boundaries of found footage so often,

582
00:43:52,951 --> 00:43:55,331
because it's not really meant to be a found footage movie.

583
00:43:55,471 --> 00:44:01,311
It is just a regular old ass movie about people that are filming a documentary.

584
00:44:01,751 --> 00:44:06,651
And you get a lot of it from that perspective of like, it looks like a found

585
00:44:06,651 --> 00:44:08,471
footage movie for so much of it.

586
00:44:08,471 --> 00:44:13,631
But I think that is why you get like the different camera angles and breaking

587
00:44:13,631 --> 00:44:18,891
the shot and like there's no way a camera can be here and the score and the

588
00:44:18,891 --> 00:44:24,571
stingers and the jump scares because like this isn't necessarily meant to be a found footage movie.

589
00:44:24,791 --> 00:44:29,711
We're just so used to this series being found footage.

590
00:44:29,931 --> 00:44:35,091
They were automatically assuming that it is. It's not. It's about people making a movie.

591
00:44:35,251 --> 00:44:40,611
That was the conclusion I came to this morning. Mike, you have officially blown

592
00:44:40,611 --> 00:44:44,391
my mind, as promised, and I really like that.

593
00:44:44,891 --> 00:44:48,151
I really like that. I will accept that. Okay.

594
00:44:49,403 --> 00:44:57,043
Because otherwise, I'm just mad. Okay. So that being said, let's still put this to the test. Yeah.

595
00:44:57,643 --> 00:44:59,623
Why are we filming? Plausible.

596
00:45:00,343 --> 00:45:05,283
She's a documentary filmmaker by trade, and she was adopted.

597
00:45:05,423 --> 00:45:06,683
She's never met her birth family.

598
00:45:06,903 --> 00:45:10,523
She gets a chance to go meet some folks related by blood.

599
00:45:10,983 --> 00:45:14,243
So she's going to make a documentary about it. Fully plausible.

600
00:45:14,643 --> 00:45:21,083
Yeah. It's also a point in time where people just film themselves all the time. Absolutely.

601
00:45:21,363 --> 00:45:26,323
Yep. That is just the thing that we do is like every if you don't film it,

602
00:45:26,383 --> 00:45:28,623
it doesn't seem like it actually happened. Yep.

603
00:45:28,843 --> 00:45:33,863
And so I don't love it, but it also makes sense that they have a zillion cameras

604
00:45:33,863 --> 00:45:35,723
because, of course, they do.

605
00:45:35,803 --> 00:45:39,663
They've got GoPros and drones and different types of cameras and they have their phones.

606
00:45:40,523 --> 00:45:44,583
So now that I'm accepting this, this is a movie about making a documentary.

607
00:45:44,603 --> 00:45:48,383
I'm like, OK, I accept this because a lot of times in found footage when they

608
00:45:48,383 --> 00:45:51,503
have so many different cameras, I'm like, you didn't find all of those.

609
00:45:52,043 --> 00:45:55,743
Like, I'd love to see a found footage movie where it seems like one of the cameras

610
00:45:55,743 --> 00:45:58,983
was just lost and there's a bunch of holes in the narrative.

611
00:45:59,183 --> 00:46:01,063
I think that would be great to see.

612
00:46:01,563 --> 00:46:05,123
Maybe that exists. So, you know, if someone out there has a recommendation,

613
00:46:05,403 --> 00:46:09,883
let me know. What if it was the last act or all the crazy shit happens and it

614
00:46:09,883 --> 00:46:11,983
just ends like right before the good stuff?

615
00:46:12,103 --> 00:46:14,683
I mean, that would be plausible.

616
00:46:15,243 --> 00:46:19,763
It could pass the test. They drop the camera when they should drop the camera

617
00:46:19,763 --> 00:46:21,583
and the movie ends. Just start running.

618
00:46:21,843 --> 00:46:29,163
And so like the why are you still filming also works because it doesn't get

619
00:46:29,163 --> 00:46:34,403
dangerous until really close to the end of the movie. Like, yeah.

620
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:39,199
Whereas the other movies, it gets dangerous a little earlier, I think.

621
00:46:39,999 --> 00:46:45,019
So they're like, creepy, weird stuff is happening, but our purpose is to document it.

622
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,639
And they all have, like, several cameras in their pockets at any time anyway.

623
00:46:49,799 --> 00:46:52,859
So, like, totally plausible that they would still be filming.

624
00:46:53,759 --> 00:46:57,539
Yeah, they're on GoPro, so they're not being encumbered by them. Yes.

625
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:04,799
It's not like I think it was like Ryan in the last movie who is carrying around

626
00:47:04,799 --> 00:47:09,279
like a 30 pound like shoulder like boulder shoulder boulder of a camera.

627
00:47:09,419 --> 00:47:12,599
Yeah. And he's like, I have to protect my daughter.

628
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:17,899
But first, let me pick up this 30 pound camera and awkwardly maneuver it to just the right angle.

629
00:47:17,959 --> 00:47:22,259
Right. So we're not doing that in this movie. So it's it's much more plausible

630
00:47:22,259 --> 00:47:24,519
to be running around with cameras.

631
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:29,779
We all have a camera in our pocket on our smartphones all the time where it

632
00:47:29,779 --> 00:47:35,139
doesn't as easily pass as the third question of could this movie have been,

633
00:47:35,139 --> 00:47:36,899
you know, pieced together?

634
00:47:37,299 --> 00:47:42,319
I don't think it's plausible that like all this footage would be found unless

635
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:44,639
it's a movie about making a documentary.

636
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,719
So I accept that because the other thing is like in a found footage movie,

637
00:47:49,819 --> 00:47:53,999
for the most part, everybody needs to die or disappear.

638
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,299
Maybe there's one survivor who brings the footage but

639
00:47:58,299 --> 00:48:01,159
like usually it's found footage because we

640
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:04,239
didn't find the people and there's survivors

641
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,459
at the end of this movie so i was like what is this

642
00:48:07,459 --> 00:48:13,459
isn't what is this but i have accepted your explanation do you we both saw frogman

643
00:48:13,459 --> 00:48:19,019
love frogman and tell you right horror love which is another which is a frogman

644
00:48:19,019 --> 00:48:26,359
is amazing all i I want nothing more than a MILF Man I Love Frogman t-shirt. Yes.

645
00:48:26,539 --> 00:48:31,479
I want that shirt so fucking bad. I want the frog around and find out.

646
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:35,719
Oh my God, it's so great. That's a very good one. And Frogman...

647
00:48:36,584 --> 00:48:40,284
Is another movie that has survivors. Yeah. Right?

648
00:48:40,364 --> 00:48:46,024
So I am okay with the fact that persons survive in it.

649
00:48:47,164 --> 00:48:54,124
In terms of who is editing and cutting this together, I'm thinking Chris and

650
00:48:54,124 --> 00:48:59,224
Margot are cutting this film together after they escape, and they're like,

651
00:48:59,324 --> 00:49:00,804
let's take it to Slamdance.

652
00:49:00,924 --> 00:49:06,564
Yeah. After they do this harrowing ordeal, and they recover for a little bit

653
00:49:06,564 --> 00:49:13,924
and they go through some pretty extensive therapy and do some work on themselves at that point.

654
00:49:15,044 --> 00:49:19,964
They're like, you know, we got all this footage. It would be a shame.

655
00:49:20,264 --> 00:49:23,504
And it does make sense because they're filmmakers.

656
00:49:24,504 --> 00:49:28,744
Yeah. Like that's what they do. So if they have all this raw footage,

657
00:49:28,924 --> 00:49:30,064
they're going to make a film.

658
00:49:30,644 --> 00:49:36,584
This is their apocalypse now. Oh, yeah. You know, this is their heart of darkness right here.

659
00:49:36,684 --> 00:49:43,904
This is like them going through it. So why wouldn't you do a film based on this right now?

660
00:49:44,244 --> 00:49:49,884
Yeah. So I, I, this is the, out of all of the ones that we've,

661
00:49:49,884 --> 00:49:55,244
out of the recent ones we've watched between Marked Ones and Ghost Dimension

662
00:49:55,244 --> 00:49:57,764
and Paranormal Activity 4.

663
00:49:57,764 --> 00:50:03,084
Or this is the one where it feels like most likely that most of what you've

664
00:50:03,084 --> 00:50:06,584
seen, you would actually capture and film. Yeah, that's true.

665
00:50:06,684 --> 00:50:11,604
Because you're right. For a lot of it, it's not scary. It's creepy.

666
00:50:11,984 --> 00:50:18,464
And it's more of a mystery. Yeah. And it's less bad shit happening throughout the movie.

667
00:50:18,604 --> 00:50:23,984
And I really actually like that because it feels more, I don't want to say realistic

668
00:50:23,984 --> 00:50:30,244
because, you know, it's a movie. But like this story makes sense the way it unfolds.

669
00:50:30,564 --> 00:50:35,084
She's spending time at this family farm. She's picking up little pieces along

670
00:50:35,084 --> 00:50:37,884
what the way they're hiding things from her.

671
00:50:38,124 --> 00:50:42,604
So like the way the story unfolds does make sense. And I like that. Yeah.

672
00:50:43,604 --> 00:50:48,384
I think I can get your anger at not.

673
00:50:48,764 --> 00:50:54,904
Well, what is it about it not confining to the rules of found footage that kind

674
00:50:54,904 --> 00:50:58,824
of like has you feeling angry? Like, what is it about it?

675
00:50:59,644 --> 00:51:04,744
Well, now that I'm like accepting this as a movie about making a movie, I'm way chilled out.

676
00:51:04,804 --> 00:51:08,384
But like when I'm watching a movie where like.

677
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,760
I feel like it can be a cop out. So if you're following the found footage,

678
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,660
like rules of like these shots have to be plausible, we have to have gotten

679
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:22,200
these shots with these cameras and then you bail on that.

680
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,780
It's like the easy way out.

681
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:30,740
You know, I'm like you did everything else in this movie to to make it the way you needed to.

682
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:34,900
But then you gave up when there was a hard shot later.

683
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:38,720
Like I'm not a filmmaker, so I probably shouldn't talk shit.

684
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:46,320
But like I'm like, do you I respect found footage as a type of like an art form.

685
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,760
And so if you don't want to do it, don't do it. But if you want to do it,

686
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,140
please, please try to commit to it.

687
00:51:54,220 --> 00:52:01,040
So that just bugs me. I think this might be a case, though, where the filmmaker like William Eubanks.

688
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,760
And there's not a lot of interviews with him talking about this movie.

689
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,800
Like the one thing I found was him talking about a movie he did this year and

690
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,840
they ask him about like, will you ever do another paranormal activity?

691
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:14,360
He's like, oh, they don't want me back.

692
00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:19,340
Like that was like the one thing. I did one. They don't want me to return.

693
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,860
You know, you come on for this and you're like, this is what you have to do.

694
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,460
Not necessarily like this is something you do or don't want to do. Yep.

695
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:35,180
So here's what kind of and I can also like last night we did a double feature,

696
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,160
a little family double feature night or a little Chinese food sat on the couch. Kind of a nice night.

697
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,560
And we did Late Night with the Devil is our second of two movies.

698
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,040
Kick things off with Ghostwatch. Nice.

699
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,260
Ghostwatch might be the most effective found footage movie of all time. It's incredible.

700
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:58,080
It is so good. And my wife has seen it before and I've seen it before.

701
00:52:58,220 --> 00:53:03,440
My daughter hasn't seen it so we queued it up and all we told her and she's

702
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,420
you know gonna be 14 in another month she's pretty hip she's pretty savvy to things and,

703
00:53:09,335 --> 00:53:14,135
And all we told her was like, these are actual, this was broadcast in the UK

704
00:53:14,135 --> 00:53:17,795
only one time in Halloween night, like 30 years ago.

705
00:53:18,015 --> 00:53:23,115
And these are actual like news presenters in the UK. Like this was an actual news program.

706
00:53:23,615 --> 00:53:27,515
And that's all we told her about it. And as we're watching it,

707
00:53:27,595 --> 00:53:34,375
like towards the two thirds point, as it starts to ramp up, she's like, wait a minute.

708
00:53:34,715 --> 00:53:37,175
Was this scripted or is this real?

709
00:53:37,535 --> 00:53:41,555
I love that. No, this was an and we just wouldn't really answer.

710
00:53:41,655 --> 00:53:45,115
We would kind of dodge it because we just didn't want to spoil. Yeah.

711
00:53:45,735 --> 00:53:52,035
Right. Yeah. And I'm looking over at her and she would like every few minutes

712
00:53:52,035 --> 00:53:53,735
kind of like, no, really.

713
00:53:53,875 --> 00:53:57,655
Like, and was this like an actual broadcast?

714
00:53:57,655 --> 00:54:01,775
Broadcast and i'm like yes like the actual broadcast on this on tv like these

715
00:54:01,775 --> 00:54:06,275
are the real people like these are the michael parkinson's like an actual bbc

716
00:54:06,275 --> 00:54:10,935
presenter and these were like actual journalists like the the sarah and this

717
00:54:10,935 --> 00:54:12,575
other journalist like they were married.

718
00:54:14,155 --> 00:54:17,755
And she's like but is it you know this really happened i'm like just just watch

719
00:54:17,755 --> 00:54:21,655
it right this is like they only you know because we didn't want to spoil it

720
00:54:21,655 --> 00:54:25,755
yeah and i would just watch her get more distressed.

721
00:54:26,575 --> 00:54:28,935
So it's, it did what a good found

722
00:54:28,935 --> 00:54:35,755
footage movie does is that it makes you suspend disbelief completely.

723
00:54:36,695 --> 00:54:39,515
And at the end we told her like when it was over, we're like,

724
00:54:39,615 --> 00:54:43,475
okay, it was scripted, you know, it's like a one time thing.

725
00:54:43,515 --> 00:54:46,615
And she was like, and you just saw her whole body go.

726
00:54:47,075 --> 00:54:49,915
Whew. Like a huge, we weren't going to do that. We

727
00:54:49,915 --> 00:54:52,775
weren't going to like send her to bed later that

728
00:54:52,775 --> 00:54:56,335
night being completely fucking freaked out but it

729
00:54:56,335 --> 00:54:59,775
like really and i think that added to

730
00:54:59,775 --> 00:55:02,615
the experience you know like when i first saw blair witch

731
00:55:02,615 --> 00:55:05,715
project same i knew it was a movie but i

732
00:55:05,715 --> 00:55:09,155
had that small inkling of doubt yeah yeah

733
00:55:09,155 --> 00:55:12,075
and this you have none of that you don't for

734
00:55:12,075 --> 00:55:14,975
a moment think you're looking at like you

735
00:55:14,975 --> 00:55:17,795
have check off slow motion camera tricks yes oh

736
00:55:17,795 --> 00:55:20,635
my goodness like yeah like you introduce that like early

737
00:55:20,635 --> 00:55:23,555
in the movie like look at all these cool things my camera can

738
00:55:23,555 --> 00:55:28,735
do and like just like Chekhov's gun like later on the movie when Dale Ketz's

739
00:55:28,735 --> 00:55:32,895
throat ripped out yeah it goes to like a cool slow motion it does and you're

740
00:55:32,895 --> 00:55:41,115
like which does look cool but I was like what made me realize that this was a movie.

741
00:55:42,509 --> 00:55:45,309
About found footage filmmakers was the

742
00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:52,129
dinner table sequence because it's all done in one continue like the singing

743
00:55:52,129 --> 00:55:57,549
is all one continuous take of the kids singing like there's no cuts in that

744
00:55:57,549 --> 00:56:03,409
but there are constant cuts in the filming of it. Yeah. Yeah.

745
00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:35,709
From like margaret's point of view to her

746
00:56:35,709 --> 00:56:39,129
mother's point of view then we change margaret's

747
00:56:39,129 --> 00:56:42,689
mother's point of view to over her shoulder it becomes

748
00:56:42,689 --> 00:56:45,429
like way different i'm like i'm not

749
00:56:45,429 --> 00:56:49,229
supposed to think i'm in a found footage movie anymore i'm just

750
00:56:49,229 --> 00:56:53,009
like in a regular old movie yeah yeah

751
00:56:53,009 --> 00:56:55,749
that's okay i didn't think of that and that

752
00:56:55,749 --> 00:56:58,769
is a good point the the one

753
00:56:58,769 --> 00:57:01,869
thing that made me kind of go like you've taken

754
00:57:01,869 --> 00:57:04,589
it too far is there's a

755
00:57:04,589 --> 00:57:08,289
there's a moment when a shotgun goes off and

756
00:57:08,289 --> 00:57:11,609
the sound design does like

757
00:57:11,609 --> 00:57:17,589
a ringing in the ears sound and i'm like this is a camera like if this is found

758
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:22,989
footage the camera's ears aren't ringing from the shotgun blast but now i'm

759
00:57:22,989 --> 00:57:28,649
like okay the filmmakers put it in after because they're making a movie like i i mike that has

760
00:57:28,689 --> 00:57:31,369
really changed my whole perspective on this movie. And I like that.

761
00:57:31,529 --> 00:57:36,549
But at the time when I was watching it, I was like, did you just make the camera's

762
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:39,489
ears ring? Because I want to turn the TV off at that.

763
00:57:40,229 --> 00:57:43,509
And I think that's maybe, and I could be completely wrong.

764
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:48,329
And I could be like, no, I accept it. Could be a thing where like Landon and

765
00:57:48,329 --> 00:57:50,589
Eubank are like, no, this is a found footage movie.

766
00:57:50,889 --> 00:57:54,709
But that part of it is because this gets dumped straight to streaming.

767
00:57:54,749 --> 00:57:59,049
Yeah. You're probably not doing like, Like there's not nearly as much like press

768
00:57:59,049 --> 00:58:03,529
on this movie pre-release that there is for any of the others where you can

769
00:58:03,529 --> 00:58:08,749
find like a ton of interviews that they're doing with outlets and they're talking about the movie.

770
00:58:08,989 --> 00:58:14,789
This is just like here is some content dumped on the meat gristle for a service

771
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:19,369
and like it's out there and done with and we're moving on to bigger and better things at this point.

772
00:58:19,449 --> 00:58:23,309
Yeah. There's not as much where I would love to hear them talk about it.

773
00:58:23,329 --> 00:58:26,829
Yes. Like, let's talk about why we filmed it this particular way.

774
00:58:27,029 --> 00:58:31,109
But there's none of that. There's no physical release of this movie.

775
00:58:31,309 --> 00:58:32,729
Actually, there is now, I believe.

776
00:58:32,949 --> 00:58:36,969
That there is, yeah. There is now. So I'm wrong about that.

777
00:58:38,017 --> 00:58:41,277
But there's like, I don't think there's a commentary for this movie where I

778
00:58:41,277 --> 00:58:45,937
would love to hear them talk about whether or not they, you know,

779
00:58:45,937 --> 00:58:47,517
chose to break that format.

780
00:58:47,597 --> 00:58:51,917
But I think with this series, because we're conditioned, why wouldn't we be

781
00:58:51,917 --> 00:58:57,597
after six movies to think of like, well, it's the found footage series. Of course it is.

782
00:58:57,977 --> 00:59:02,757
Like even Blair Witch Project, like in the second movie, they break the structure.

783
00:59:02,837 --> 00:59:04,937
Like the second movie is not a found footage movie.

784
00:59:05,577 --> 00:59:08,577
Yeah. And that's good. it's yeah you

785
00:59:08,577 --> 00:59:12,357
know yeah and maybe that's the if paranormal

786
00:59:12,357 --> 00:59:15,457
activity went the lake mongol route

787
00:59:15,457 --> 00:59:21,077
if they said at some point yeah right and and that's what i feel like this is

788
00:59:21,077 --> 00:59:27,897
closer to that it is you're right so okay the other thing too is like chris

789
00:59:27,897 --> 00:59:32,377
has his own footage of the events and then at the end of the movie you have

790
00:59:32,377 --> 00:59:35,177
the police footage yes so why would you have these

791
00:59:35,237 --> 00:59:38,077
competing narratives like chris wouldn't have

792
00:59:38,077 --> 00:59:41,537
access to this police footage which to

793
00:59:41,537 --> 00:59:44,297
me is like these are that's why it's meant to

794
00:59:44,297 --> 00:59:47,197
be like one cohesive movie not a found

795
00:59:47,197 --> 00:59:52,877
footage yeah that makes sense so i should re-watch this movie with that framing

796
00:59:52,877 --> 00:59:58,317
and see if i have more fun with it and that's why i really like it i think this

797
00:59:58,317 --> 01:00:03,157
one is just like let's do something different Where as opposed to like part

798
01:00:03,157 --> 01:00:06,297
four and Ghost Dimension, which is like,

799
01:00:06,317 --> 01:00:09,877
let's just try to play the hits with lesser success.

800
01:00:09,957 --> 01:00:14,817
And they just feel like this doesn't feel tired to me. Yeah.

801
01:00:14,817 --> 01:00:16,597
No, that's definitely true.

802
01:00:16,857 --> 01:00:21,637
We're not just recycling old paranormal activity. Yeah. Greatest hits.

803
01:00:22,737 --> 01:00:24,617
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

804
01:00:25,567 --> 01:00:32,427
All right. And part of that too, this one looks so much different from all of the other movies.

805
01:00:32,487 --> 01:00:37,927
If I didn't know any better, I would have thought this was like a ladder,

806
01:00:38,047 --> 01:00:39,967
like with the Hellraiser movies.

807
01:00:40,347 --> 01:00:46,067
By the time you get to like part five, part six, it's a pretty well-known fact

808
01:00:46,067 --> 01:00:48,407
that what would happen is like

809
01:00:48,407 --> 01:00:52,587
Dimension would get these scripts that had nothing to do with Hellraiser.

810
01:00:52,587 --> 01:00:57,727
And they said, what if we made your movie but put Pinhead in it and Doug Bradley

811
01:00:57,727 --> 01:01:02,427
shows up for like 10 minutes and we call it like Hellraiser Bloodlines. Yeah.

812
01:01:02,567 --> 01:01:06,287
Or like, I don't really want to do that. Well, then we won't make your movie.

813
01:01:06,407 --> 01:01:08,407
And you're like, Hellraiser 6 it is. Right.

814
01:01:08,727 --> 01:01:10,747
I love Hellraiser now. Yeah.

815
01:01:11,227 --> 01:01:16,947
And it's the only one that's like shot in 4K. So it looks pretty nice as well.

816
01:01:17,127 --> 01:01:18,647
It does. The color looks really good.

817
01:01:19,407 --> 01:01:23,547
Yeah. So it looks different. it's kind of like what you would the kind of movie

818
01:01:23,547 --> 01:01:27,367
I would expect to see it's something like Telluride Horror maybe not something

819
01:01:27,367 --> 01:01:29,687
I would expect to see like in a thousand theaters,

820
01:01:30,267 --> 01:01:35,867
but like do you ever go to a film festival and you're like this is a movie that's

821
01:01:35,867 --> 01:01:37,107
meant to play at a festival,

822
01:01:37,587 --> 01:01:43,047
and on my television screen but it's not meant to play in like a ton of theaters

823
01:01:43,047 --> 01:01:45,947
like some movie yeah it's that kind of The Coffee Table,

824
01:01:46,687 --> 01:01:51,627
yeah I love that movie it's great the feel bad movie of the year.

825
01:01:52,387 --> 01:01:59,507
That's a movie where if Paramount gave them that list they're like fuck your list yeah,

826
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,440
You wipe your ass with your list. Good.

827
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,780
So, all right, Ari, where do you want to go with this? I've just kind of gone

828
01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:09,400
on for a rant. No, it's good.

829
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,680
We kind of touched on this, but we both like the characters.

830
01:02:16,060 --> 01:02:21,840
Like the core three of Margo, Chris, and Dale.

831
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,100
Yeah. They're likable. What do you like about them? They seem real.

832
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,480
They seem relatable. They seem like they're friends.

833
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:39,400
Like, when Margo goes and gets sort of trapped upstairs, it just felt really real to me.

834
01:02:39,460 --> 01:02:43,760
Like, sometimes in horror movies, if a character makes a decision like that,

835
01:02:43,860 --> 01:02:45,280
we're like, why did you do that?

836
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:50,180
But, like, her going up there to investigate the sound and then accidentally

837
01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:54,940
getting trapped and then hiding, like, that all just felt really real to me

838
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:57,260
and it made me feel, like, scared for her.

839
01:02:57,860 --> 01:03:04,500
Mm hmm. And Dale is just trying to he's just like happy to be here.

840
01:03:05,220 --> 01:03:09,540
He's trying to make the best out of he's making friends with strangers.

841
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,460
He's, you know, we find out later they're not actually Amish,

842
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:18,900
but they're sort of presenting themselves as Amish. And so he's kind of like,

843
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:21,360
I'm being open minded about what that means.

844
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:26,260
Like, let me try your haircut. Let me try your clothes. And he's genuinely trying

845
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:31,120
to like be a part of the community that, you know, because they just kind of

846
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,700
show up and it could be really rude,

847
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,680
but they're trying to be really polite and not invasive.

848
01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:41,720
So I like that. It feels like, yeah, it feels like a few movies ago,

849
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,960
Dale would have been written more as like a Mika or a Daniel. Yes, exactly.

850
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:49,760
Where he would have been kind of a clown. Hitting on the teenage girls.

851
01:03:49,820 --> 01:03:54,060
Yeah. Yeah, he would have been a dick. And like, Dale is just like...

852
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,560
Genuinely a harmless doofus in this

853
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,540
movie where he says a bunch of things which

854
01:04:01,540 --> 01:04:04,780
sound really strange and goofy but

855
01:04:04,780 --> 01:04:10,340
he has no idea that they are strange and goofy and everybody is kind of looking

856
01:04:10,340 --> 01:04:16,200
at him askew i think at one point like margo even looks at chris and does the

857
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:21,300
like this guy's crazy hand motion yes there's the fruit loops moment where he's

858
01:04:21,300 --> 01:04:23,460
like do you realize these guys have Fruit Loops?

859
01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:29,120
It genuinely blew his mind that they had their own breakfast cereal. Yeah.

860
01:04:29,620 --> 01:04:34,940
And then I wrote down here, when Margo gives her little speech at the dinner

861
01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:41,020
table about feeling humble and happy to be there, he starts clapping.

862
01:04:41,220 --> 01:04:43,820
Yeah. And he's like, I thought this was a clap moment.

863
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:48,640
Yep. Yep. And I put a note like, is his mom a Sasquatch?

864
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,360
Because he says he shares a room

865
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:55,360
with his mom And he's like six feet seven himself and like super hairy.

866
01:04:55,660 --> 01:05:01,460
Yeah. Yeah. And just like, like you said, he ingratiates himself to that community

867
01:05:01,460 --> 01:05:03,920
as best he can. He like tries on their clothes.

868
01:05:04,780 --> 01:05:09,200
He's the comic relief. Poor gentle Dale. Yeah.

869
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:12,880
He eats it. He's the one that gets gotten. Earlier than others.

870
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,100
Yeah. Yeah. What about Margo and Chris?

871
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:20,300
Chris what do you like about them as

872
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:23,320
and i don't think they're a couple but it's

873
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:29,060
like a partnership yeah it's a partnership in college yes chris i don't feel

874
01:05:29,060 --> 01:05:36,380
like we get to know as well you know the documentary is about margo and her

875
01:05:36,380 --> 01:05:41,040
family and so chris doesn't put himself in there as much, which makes sense.

876
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:47,620
But he seems really supportive of Margot, and he's really encouraging her to

877
01:05:47,620 --> 01:05:50,400
do this, and so he seems like a good partner in this way.

878
01:05:51,611 --> 01:06:00,111
And Margot, I kind of expected her to be like, like a lesser movie might have

879
01:06:00,111 --> 01:06:05,771
her be like either judging the Amish community like,

880
01:06:05,891 --> 01:06:10,111
oh, their ways are so weird or like being really condescending about them.

881
01:06:10,351 --> 01:06:16,111
But she's just sort of like neutral and interested. interested, like she makes one.

882
01:06:17,031 --> 01:06:21,291
It's not even a misstep, really. But when she says to one of her cousins,

883
01:06:21,491 --> 01:06:24,171
like, oh, I really like your dress. Did you make it?

884
01:06:24,551 --> 01:06:29,211
And she says, no, I got it at Walmart. Like, that's the only time Margo kind

885
01:06:29,211 --> 01:06:33,351
of goes like, you know, I'm trying to connect with you about your Amishness.

886
01:06:33,471 --> 01:06:38,111
And then she doesn't do anything like that again. So that felt to me like how

887
01:06:38,111 --> 01:06:42,451
a character truly interested in meeting her family might act.

888
01:06:43,011 --> 01:06:48,371
Yeah. And then like the girl's like next response is like, do you have TikTok on your phone?

889
01:06:49,231 --> 01:06:55,031
And Margo looks genuinely taken aback by that. She's like, how do you know what TikTok is?

890
01:06:55,751 --> 01:07:01,751
And I don't think that's a clue that we're not supposed to think these people are Amish.

891
01:07:01,771 --> 01:07:05,031
I think that's just like a genuinely like funny moment.

892
01:07:05,251 --> 01:07:10,971
What are they supposed to, if they're not Amish, are they Amish adjacent?

893
01:07:10,971 --> 01:07:17,931
Or total normies that are faking it like that's what I don't get I'm not sure

894
01:07:17,931 --> 01:07:26,271
either because that would be a lot of pretense to put up just to get Margo back.

895
01:07:28,016 --> 01:07:33,536
But maybe it's like some of their customs look to outsiders like Amish.

896
01:07:33,556 --> 01:07:37,956
So it's an easy thing to say to keep people away while they practice whatever

897
01:07:37,956 --> 01:07:41,236
demon rituals that they do.

898
01:07:41,416 --> 01:07:46,316
So maybe they just sort of like have enough overlap with Amish practices that

899
01:07:46,316 --> 01:07:49,016
that's an easy out. Mm hmm. Yeah.

900
01:07:49,456 --> 01:07:54,896
Yeah. Because I don't think that like, let's say the at the end of this movie,

901
01:07:55,256 --> 01:07:57,456
they let's say they're successful.

902
01:07:57,456 --> 01:08:05,536
And they get Margo and they trap like Asmodeus in Margo's body and chain her up.

903
01:08:05,776 --> 01:08:10,516
I don't think they're like, okay, now we go behind the church or our town.

904
01:08:10,636 --> 01:08:14,396
It's like not like a thing like The Visit where they have like their own like

905
01:08:14,396 --> 01:08:16,696
normie like suburban homes after that.

906
01:08:16,776 --> 01:08:21,456
And then like Jacob, like the leader, like it's like, oh, I gotta go back to my job in IT.

907
01:08:21,656 --> 01:08:29,436
Right. I just think that like they have all the same customs as the Amish,

908
01:08:29,456 --> 01:08:33,816
but the Amish are like, don't fucking pin your demon.

909
01:08:34,076 --> 01:08:38,816
Like, do you think that at some point they ever like went to like the Amish

910
01:08:38,816 --> 01:08:45,096
outskirts and neighbors and are like, can we borrow a cup of sugar and maybe some shackles?

911
01:08:45,116 --> 01:08:51,096
Because we have like a demon woman in the pits below us and we need to keep her chained up.

912
01:08:51,096 --> 01:08:54,096
But they're like you have what get out of

913
01:08:54,096 --> 01:08:56,976
here don't lump us in with you we're not doing all

914
01:08:56,976 --> 01:09:01,636
that we're not weirdos right right maybe

915
01:09:01,636 --> 01:09:07,316
yeah i don't know and what part of the country are they in i think if they say

916
01:09:07,316 --> 01:09:12,996
it's buffalo new york oh okay okay so it's either upstate new york or western

917
01:09:12,996 --> 01:09:18,776
pennsylvania i was thinking western pennsylvania yeah something like that so yeah Yeah.

918
01:09:19,416 --> 01:09:24,316
It was Miami. It's really weird. Just the outskirts of Miami.

919
01:09:24,316 --> 01:09:27,096
Weird part of Miami. Just off the beach.

920
01:09:28,456 --> 01:09:32,876
I like Chris in Margaret. There's not a lot to Chris.

921
01:09:33,336 --> 01:09:37,096
What you really get from him is that he's very meticulous and very,

922
01:09:37,216 --> 01:09:38,836
like, fastidious. Yeah.

923
01:09:39,056 --> 01:09:43,076
You can see that, like, Dale makes him a little bit uncomfortable.

924
01:09:43,476 --> 01:09:46,296
Like, when Dale is, like, going through his things, he's like,

925
01:09:46,356 --> 01:09:49,936
oh, I love these GoPros. Like you can go underwater with them.

926
01:09:50,016 --> 01:09:54,076
And Chris is like, yeah, you can do that with them.

927
01:09:54,176 --> 01:09:58,636
And he's like, please give me my stuff. Right. Like, please don't break my shit. Yeah.

928
01:09:59,597 --> 01:10:03,977
Margot's personality tends to be like she's very accommodating to others.

929
01:10:04,337 --> 01:10:06,737
She's very curious and persistent.

930
01:10:07,917 --> 01:10:17,377
But I feel like this is the first entry where we don't really get to know the characters that well.

931
01:10:17,497 --> 01:10:21,437
I don't really know a lot. Even like Margaret is your main character.

932
01:10:21,797 --> 01:10:26,357
What I know about her is that like as a baby, she was left at a hospital.

933
01:10:26,357 --> 01:10:30,537
She was adopted and now she wants to know her family.

934
01:10:30,677 --> 01:10:34,337
But I don't really get a great sense of her outside of this,

935
01:10:34,437 --> 01:10:39,577
where even in the other movies, like I get a greater sense of the other's characters.

936
01:10:40,017 --> 01:10:45,317
And I think because of that, and maybe because there's a lot of handheld camera

937
01:10:45,317 --> 01:10:50,497
use, there are points of this movie where it feels like a first person video game.

938
01:10:50,577 --> 01:10:55,137
Yeah. It feels like they're more character avatars than like human characters.

939
01:10:55,137 --> 01:10:57,197
That's a really good point. Yeah, that's true.

940
01:10:57,717 --> 01:11:02,777
I think in the other movies, they have much smaller casts.

941
01:11:03,317 --> 01:11:08,937
And in Next of Kin, there's so many people to get to know that we're not really

942
01:11:08,937 --> 01:11:10,457
getting to know our main characters.

943
01:11:10,997 --> 01:11:16,397
And we're more focused on unraveling the mystery than, you know,

944
01:11:16,397 --> 01:11:18,537
getting to know who's there.

945
01:11:18,677 --> 01:11:22,837
So yeah, first person video game. Yes, that makes a lot of sense.

946
01:11:22,837 --> 01:11:29,177
What do you think about the unfolding mystery of this movie?

947
01:11:30,690 --> 01:11:34,270
So maybe, I've only watched this movie once. Okay.

948
01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:39,490
And so maybe I, if I watched it again, it would hold a little bit more for me.

949
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:47,770
But I feel like I didn't quite follow the logic of why they needed Margot and,

950
01:11:47,930 --> 01:11:49,710
like, what they were doing with that.

951
01:11:50,210 --> 01:11:55,110
It felt a little bit, like, not as outlandish as the ghost dimension where I'm

952
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:57,270
like, why is any of this necessary?

953
01:11:57,830 --> 01:12:01,250
Mm-hmm. But is like, is there a solid,

954
01:12:01,310 --> 01:12:05,950
do they explain it more and I just didn't hold on to it? I think so.

955
01:12:06,090 --> 01:12:11,410
I, so my understanding of it is basically, it's similar.

956
01:12:12,330 --> 01:12:20,810
Basically what happens is like as Asmodeus is his spirit is trapped in a woman's

957
01:12:20,810 --> 01:12:23,730
body and it's through this one bloodline.

958
01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:26,490
So sarah like the

959
01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:30,470
mother is containing his essence

960
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:33,350
essentially okay that's why she's kept in that hole but

961
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:36,670
they need a daughter the the body can

962
01:12:36,670 --> 01:12:41,890
only withhold him for so long like it basically the human body is going to give

963
01:12:41,890 --> 01:12:47,030
out after so long and that's why like the shit is starting to go down like they

964
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:52,690
have like when they see like the two-headed goat is born they're like okay things

965
01:12:52,690 --> 01:12:55,570
Things are starting to ramp up. We need to do this soon.

966
01:12:55,790 --> 01:13:00,870
Like things are starting to go wrong. So we need to. And that's why there was

967
01:13:00,870 --> 01:13:03,590
this sense of urgency in finding Margo.

968
01:13:03,650 --> 01:13:05,690
Is it Margaret or Margo? It's Mark.

969
01:13:05,950 --> 01:13:10,610
I substitute those. Yeah. I thought it was Margo, but I could be thinking of

970
01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:12,810
Hell House. Yeah. Could be.

971
01:13:13,956 --> 01:13:16,816
That's why they need to get her there so quickly. Yeah, okay.

972
01:13:16,816 --> 01:13:24,236
Because they need to, like, do the ritual to transfer Asmodeus's spirit or essence

973
01:13:24,236 --> 01:13:29,316
or soul or whatever you want to call it from Sarah into,

974
01:13:29,456 --> 01:13:32,496
like, her offspring, Margo.

975
01:13:32,596 --> 01:13:37,596
And that's why Sarah gave away her daughter. Okay. Because she didn't want her

976
01:13:37,596 --> 01:13:43,196
to have the same fate as she did. But then what are they going to do when Margo's

977
01:13:43,196 --> 01:13:45,636
body fails because she doesn't have a daughter?

978
01:13:46,396 --> 01:13:48,316
I don't know. Yeah.

979
01:13:49,116 --> 01:13:54,536
They might have to find. They'll have to figure it out. I don't know if they find a way to mate.

980
01:13:54,756 --> 01:13:59,556
They might have to, you know, maybe there's like a scientist-y Amish person. Maybe.

981
01:13:59,816 --> 01:14:03,216
That can do, you know, have you seen Immaculate yet? No, not yet.

982
01:14:03,636 --> 01:14:06,276
Okay. No, I'm super behind on everything. We won't get into that. Okay.

983
01:14:07,156 --> 01:14:10,156
There, maybe they do some science-y shit. it i don't

984
01:14:10,156 --> 01:14:13,636
know that is a good question yeah so but

985
01:14:13,636 --> 01:14:16,536
it might have been like we weren't able to even get that far

986
01:14:16,536 --> 01:14:19,516
ahead because like stuff is going so wrong

987
01:14:19,516 --> 01:14:23,656
right right they're like it's the immediate problem yeah then we'll deal with

988
01:14:23,656 --> 01:14:28,936
that yeah they might have had to start a new bloodline who knows you know or

989
01:14:28,936 --> 01:14:32,636
they might have just had to like say yeah we just have to like start over with

990
01:14:32,636 --> 01:14:38,316
a new bloodline at this point that might be the way it is so i i this is the

991
01:14:38,356 --> 01:14:41,036
first entry in like four or five

992
01:14:41,036 --> 01:14:44,216
movies that we're not ahead of the characters yeah

993
01:14:44,216 --> 01:14:47,136
that's true you know what i mean yeah like really since part two

994
01:14:47,136 --> 01:14:53,476
that we're not ahead of everybody so i don't i'm not i don't feel myself getting

995
01:14:53,476 --> 01:14:59,276
impatient with this one and it's kind of nice even if the mystery itself like

996
01:14:59,276 --> 01:15:04,176
you kind of see it you kind of know where it's going like look you're not it's

997
01:15:04,176 --> 01:15:05,756
It's a paranormal activity movie.

998
01:15:05,996 --> 01:15:10,576
You're not going to get invited to an Amish community and then just have them

999
01:15:10,576 --> 01:15:12,856
give you some nice pie and send you on your way.

1000
01:15:12,876 --> 01:15:15,276
Right, right. And then have everything be hunky-dory.

1001
01:15:15,636 --> 01:15:19,996
It's kind of nice to have a mystery to solve and have it unfurl again,

1002
01:15:20,196 --> 01:15:24,956
and you're trying to fill in the pieces and guess what's going on.

1003
01:15:25,196 --> 01:15:28,716
And by the end of this movie, everything is answered.

1004
01:15:28,876 --> 01:15:33,436
This is a nice... Like the first one, standalone, one and done,

1005
01:15:33,436 --> 01:15:36,836
i don't have a lot of missing pieces i

1006
01:15:36,836 --> 01:15:40,416
get it i don't have to like go well

1007
01:15:40,416 --> 01:15:43,516
wait a minute what about x y and z and this right here and

1008
01:15:43,516 --> 01:15:48,756
how does this fit in and why is your time travel and yes why is toby like if

1009
01:15:48,756 --> 01:15:55,236
toby is in 1992 then why do the things in 2006 happen yeah why is hunter back

1010
01:15:55,236 --> 01:16:00,376
in time i don't have to do all that it's really straightforward i'm not waiting

1011
01:16:00,376 --> 01:16:03,116
for katie and the Golden Girls' coven to show up.

1012
01:16:03,116 --> 01:16:06,596
I wasn't sure if they were going to. And, like...

1013
01:16:07,987 --> 01:16:14,207
That was kind of nice, too, because when I went into this, I didn't know if it did tie back in at all.

1014
01:16:14,487 --> 01:16:20,187
And so to have it not do that and just be its own thing, that is refreshing. No.

1015
01:16:20,727 --> 01:16:26,127
What are your thoughts on the Baylors as like a community?

1016
01:16:26,427 --> 01:16:32,827
Do you feel that they're evil or do you feel that they're tasked with this unimaginably

1017
01:16:32,827 --> 01:16:38,107
awful responsibility that requires this terrible sacrifice?

1018
01:16:38,467 --> 01:16:45,107
Or are they just like a little bit of both? I mean, this is a movie that makes

1019
01:16:45,107 --> 01:16:50,647
us ask that question about the circumstances that you're saddled with.

1020
01:16:50,987 --> 01:16:56,127
How much responsibility do you have to try to change them versus survive within them?

1021
01:16:56,127 --> 01:16:59,787
Like they are sacrificing

1022
01:16:59,787 --> 01:17:03,007
a person every so many years to

1023
01:17:03,007 --> 01:17:06,187
this demon is that it's a

1024
01:17:06,187 --> 01:17:09,267
trolley problem it's the it's the demon trolley problem

1025
01:17:09,267 --> 01:17:12,367
where they're like do we save the rest of our community or

1026
01:17:12,367 --> 01:17:15,287
sacrifice one person and you know

1027
01:17:15,287 --> 01:17:18,107
i don't think the point of the trolley problem is

1028
01:17:18,107 --> 01:17:21,167
that there's not an easy answer and that all the different circumstances you

1029
01:17:21,167 --> 01:17:25,267
add make it you know a different situation so it's

1030
01:17:25,267 --> 01:17:28,187
hard for me to say like what we're presented

1031
01:17:28,187 --> 01:17:32,687
with definitely makes them look evil because that's

1032
01:17:32,687 --> 01:17:37,347
the framing of the movie but what if we saw it from their perspective where

1033
01:17:37,347 --> 01:17:43,227
they were like counting the ticking clock down to this demon breaking out and

1034
01:17:43,227 --> 01:17:48,227
there we see their survival story would we then not think they're evil so that's

1035
01:17:48,227 --> 01:17:50,867
a really It's a really long way to say, I don't know, and it's complicated,

1036
01:17:51,187 --> 01:17:55,447
but it's a good movie to make us ask that question. Yeah.

1037
01:17:56,464 --> 01:18:02,684
And we see at the end what happens to them when they're not able to contain the demon.

1038
01:18:03,404 --> 01:18:07,864
The whole community gets destroyed within a matter of minutes.

1039
01:18:08,584 --> 01:18:12,264
So you're kind of like, maybe they had a little bit of a point there.

1040
01:18:12,404 --> 01:18:20,564
I think what makes it difficult is all of the subterfuge and the coercion and the manipulation.

1041
01:18:21,104 --> 01:18:24,304
Like there's no agency. Absolutely. like margaret

1042
01:18:24,304 --> 01:18:27,224
never has a chance to have a say for herself

1043
01:18:27,224 --> 01:18:30,964
her mother never had a chance to say anything for

1044
01:18:30,964 --> 01:18:33,944
herself yep and that's where it becomes like

1045
01:18:33,944 --> 01:18:41,584
a real difficult thing but like as a as a group like as just like a a shadowy

1046
01:18:41,584 --> 01:18:46,264
group like pretty fucking cool yeah like really creepy i love a two-headed great

1047
01:18:46,264 --> 01:18:50,844
atmosphere oh my god that was really good yeah that was great Apparently killing

1048
01:18:50,844 --> 01:18:53,304
a two-headed goat wasn't on that list.

1049
01:18:53,924 --> 01:18:57,844
No. What if it was number 11? They were like, you can do the first 10.

1050
01:18:57,864 --> 01:19:01,384
Just made. You can't do the first 10, but you can do 11.

1051
01:19:02,224 --> 01:19:09,464
Just made the cutoff. I made a note like Asmodeus does feel a few levels up

1052
01:19:09,464 --> 01:19:11,784
on the demon chain than Toby. Yeah.

1053
01:19:12,584 --> 01:19:18,264
Way more power. The name is way more metal. Oh, super. So the name Toby never

1054
01:19:18,264 --> 01:19:20,284
really sounded too demonic.

1055
01:19:20,804 --> 01:19:26,104
I think of like Toby from The Office. Yeah. Yeah. He's just the HR demon. Kind of a sad sack.

1056
01:19:26,384 --> 01:19:31,644
Yeah. Yes. This demon seems more powerful and also more threatening.

1057
01:19:31,784 --> 01:19:39,244
Like Toby wants particular, you know, kids, which is messed up.

1058
01:19:39,244 --> 01:19:40,204
But like, that's his thing.

1059
01:19:41,084 --> 01:19:46,664
Osmandias is like, I'm going to eat this whole community if you don't give me what I want. Yeah.

1060
01:19:47,224 --> 01:19:54,364
Yeah. And he's like getting, you know, given hard looks and cops are like shooting himself in the head.

1061
01:19:54,884 --> 01:20:00,104
He's out there driving, listening to some country music out there looking a

1062
01:20:00,104 --> 01:20:04,084
little rip like that dude's looking a bit like Adam Driver, like really jacked

1063
01:20:04,084 --> 01:20:06,124
up and kind of going around.

1064
01:20:06,204 --> 01:20:13,344
But definitely they're way more terrified of this demon.

1065
01:20:13,384 --> 01:20:16,164
Like that's a pretty deep hole to keep a person. Yes.

1066
01:20:16,444 --> 01:20:20,344
Down like he's even without all even

1067
01:20:20,344 --> 01:20:25,224
with her kept at bay like you said like two-headed goats are being born all

1068
01:20:25,224 --> 01:20:31,064
this crazy shit's going down so and it only takes like one movie for him to

1069
01:20:31,064 --> 01:20:37,824
come to power we don't have like six movies of him getting kind of foiled by

1070
01:20:37,824 --> 01:20:39,664
the end of it like Like, let's face it,

1071
01:20:39,744 --> 01:20:44,764
it takes a long time for Toby's plan to come to fruition. Yeah.

1072
01:20:44,904 --> 01:20:49,064
And it's not really much of a plan. It's just like, I just want a human body.

1073
01:20:49,684 --> 01:20:51,144
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1074
01:20:51,824 --> 01:20:54,704
Dream bigger, Toby. Yeah, you could do more.

1075
01:20:56,032 --> 01:21:00,572
I don't think they should have gone back for the van, if you're feeling. Yeah.

1076
01:21:02,512 --> 01:21:06,852
That also was, I was like, I'm not sure about this decision.

1077
01:21:07,612 --> 01:21:10,232
Yeah. Just call a tow truck. Yeah.

1078
01:21:11,212 --> 01:21:15,112
Like, they go to get the battery. They could just keep going.

1079
01:21:15,912 --> 01:21:21,412
Yeah. But I guess, you know, they have all their equipment to consider.

1080
01:21:21,452 --> 01:21:25,692
I guess it depends on how scared you are, like how unsafe you think you are.

1081
01:21:26,432 --> 01:21:31,672
I don't know. Yeah. I feel by that point they're feeling pretty nervous.

1082
01:21:31,732 --> 01:21:33,472
Yeah, they're acting urgently.

1083
01:21:33,892 --> 01:21:36,432
You think you would just stay. Yeah, they're like, something is wrong here.

1084
01:21:36,452 --> 01:21:41,292
Yeah. You're seeing like heavy metal album covers carved into churches.

1085
01:21:42,292 --> 01:21:45,972
Yeah. Two-headed goats everywhere. I think I'm done at that point.

1086
01:21:45,972 --> 01:21:49,792
Yeah, maybe write off that equipment as a loss.

1087
01:21:50,432 --> 01:21:56,812
It would be the perfect situation for someone to say, I've watched a lot of horror movies.

1088
01:21:56,872 --> 01:21:59,412
Yes. I know how this goes. Oh, yeah. In 2021?

1089
01:21:59,692 --> 01:22:02,712
They could have said that. That would have worked. Yeah.

1090
01:22:03,492 --> 01:22:08,872
So the only other thing I have here is, like, really the last 20 minutes of this movie. Yes.

1091
01:22:09,232 --> 01:22:14,972
Because I really like the fact that this one really goes for it.

1092
01:22:15,332 --> 01:22:21,972
Like, you get way more than these movies. And Ghost Dimension tried to do this,

1093
01:22:22,012 --> 01:22:24,512
but I thought it was like really sloppily done.

1094
01:22:24,632 --> 01:22:27,812
Like we talked about like the shoddy CGI in the ending.

1095
01:22:28,192 --> 01:22:30,192
I felt like was really generic.

1096
01:22:30,972 --> 01:22:35,912
This one felt a lot like Wreck, but instead of Wreck in an apartment building,

1097
01:22:36,232 --> 01:22:38,852
it was like Wreck in an Amish community.

1098
01:22:39,372 --> 01:22:44,892
And it just made me want like 90 minutes of Wreck in an Amish community. You know what?

1099
01:22:44,972 --> 01:22:47,792
That would be sweet. I would watch that. That would be very cool.

1100
01:22:48,372 --> 01:22:54,612
I thought this movie, so most of the paranormal activity movies end with a dropped camera.

1101
01:22:55,392 --> 01:23:00,692
And there are several times in like the last 10 or 15 minutes of this movie where a camera drops.

1102
01:23:01,212 --> 01:23:05,632
And I was like, oh, that's the end. Oh, nope, it's not. We're keeping going.

1103
01:23:05,892 --> 01:23:10,192
Oh, now it's the end. Nope, it's not. We're keeping going. The return of the king.

1104
01:23:10,932 --> 01:23:16,352
They keep faking you out. And then, you know, it ends with Sally Hardesty's style.

1105
01:23:17,552 --> 01:23:22,172
You know, there's two survivors. They're driving away. She's screaming. The camera's on her.

1106
01:23:22,312 --> 01:23:27,852
And so I was like, that movie, it definitely subverted my expectations of how

1107
01:23:27,852 --> 01:23:31,032
it was going to end big time. Did you stop it there?

1108
01:23:31,652 --> 01:23:33,872
Does more happen? Yeah.

1109
01:23:34,512 --> 01:23:39,692
Oh, you didn't get the end end. Wait, didn't I? No.

1110
01:23:40,412 --> 01:23:47,932
Okay. So it fades to black, right? And then after that, police cars pull up.

1111
01:23:48,849 --> 01:23:53,409
I did see that. I did see that. Yes. Yes. I just in my head like,

1112
01:23:53,549 --> 01:23:57,549
yeah, I had flipped those things.

1113
01:23:58,389 --> 01:24:06,169
Okay. And this is where I think they throw the found footage conventions like out the window.

1114
01:24:06,189 --> 01:24:12,189
Because you have those that confrontation between Margo and her mother and where

1115
01:24:12,189 --> 01:24:16,849
she like shoves that hook right in her neck. And you have like Chekhov's hay

1116
01:24:16,849 --> 01:24:19,989
bale drop, which comes up early in the movie.

1117
01:24:20,089 --> 01:24:22,949
Yes, we had to. And you're like, I wonder if this will come up again.

1118
01:24:23,009 --> 01:24:24,889
Yes, it has to. And it certainly does.

1119
01:24:26,209 --> 01:24:30,169
But it's a pretty cool creature design. Like it looks pretty fucked up.

1120
01:24:30,209 --> 01:24:33,309
It does. And the creature also reminded me of Wreck.

1121
01:24:34,329 --> 01:24:39,269
Yeah, that's where I got that from. But then not only do you have that,

1122
01:24:39,349 --> 01:24:40,949
then it's like, oh, we forgot our keys.

1123
01:24:41,229 --> 01:24:44,309
We have to go back and get them from the body of our dead friend.

1124
01:24:46,069 --> 01:24:49,389
And that's never good. You never a good thing.

1125
01:24:49,589 --> 01:24:53,409
And then when you run back, it's like children of the corn gone.

1126
01:24:53,529 --> 01:24:56,729
Hey, it is, which is awesome. Yes. Yeah.

1127
01:24:56,809 --> 01:25:00,869
I wanted more of that. I wanted like five more minutes of like them,

1128
01:25:01,529 --> 01:25:05,509
like shoving pitchforks through other and their eyes are bleeding out.

1129
01:25:06,089 --> 01:25:11,149
And, you know, like I just wanted like Malachi, like setting people on fire.

1130
01:25:12,309 --> 01:25:17,189
Cause that shit was awesome. You're like, Oh, They weren't fooling like shit

1131
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:21,029
really does go down if Asmodeus gets out.

1132
01:25:21,149 --> 01:25:28,229
And then, like you said, like Margo has her like Sally Hardesty ending at the end of this movie.

1133
01:25:28,409 --> 01:25:33,389
I kept expecting the thing to jump over the seats like it maybe got into the back of the van.

1134
01:25:33,649 --> 01:25:38,089
Because they kept showing the back of the van and you can't really see over those seats.

1135
01:25:38,509 --> 01:25:41,429
And I'm like, well, there's your found footage ending. They're going to drive

1136
01:25:41,429 --> 01:25:43,529
off and then it's going to leap over the seats.

1137
01:25:43,529 --> 01:25:46,429
And you didn't get that which i kind of liked i like

1138
01:25:46,429 --> 01:25:49,569
that there are survivors and then you have your

1139
01:25:49,569 --> 01:25:52,609
a-cab moment at the end where and that

1140
01:25:52,609 --> 01:25:56,449
was creepy as fuck when the dude is hunched over and you hear the baby crying

1141
01:25:56,449 --> 01:26:02,209
and it stops being a baby sound and just becomes this kind of like guttural

1142
01:26:02,209 --> 01:26:11,389
kind of mopping roar and i'm like that's creepy as shit man and he's getting people to the Jedi mind,

1143
01:26:11,509 --> 01:26:15,349
just doing some Jedi mind tricks to get them to blow their brains out.

1144
01:26:15,469 --> 01:26:17,469
Like, I'd watch more of that.

1145
01:26:17,769 --> 01:26:21,729
You know, I think I really need to rewatch this movie and just try to have more

1146
01:26:21,729 --> 01:26:24,049
fun with it. I don't know what my problem was.

1147
01:26:24,409 --> 01:26:28,229
Like, because as we're talking about this movie, I'm like, yeah, that is fun.

1148
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:35,109
I think if you go into it expecting a straightforward found footage movie,

1149
01:26:35,369 --> 01:26:39,089
and it's not that, and it's so much different from the others,

1150
01:26:39,309 --> 01:26:41,189
then it's going to be less enjoyable.

1151
01:26:42,485 --> 01:26:49,425
If it was just next of kin or if it was like the Amish with a question mark

1152
01:26:49,425 --> 01:26:52,625
at the end of it or the Amish assassin,

1153
01:26:52,905 --> 01:26:57,525
you know, like maybe if it was just that, it'd be like three and a half stars.

1154
01:26:57,725 --> 01:27:02,285
Yeah. But I think when you put paranormal activity in front of it,

1155
01:27:02,345 --> 01:27:04,165
there's an expectation that is there.

1156
01:27:04,285 --> 01:27:09,645
Yes. Because you get the date cards, you have a little bit of that,

1157
01:27:09,745 --> 01:27:15,325
but you don't have the typical paranormal activity trappings, which I'm okay with.

1158
01:27:15,445 --> 01:27:19,005
I'm okay with doing this series without any of that.

1159
01:27:20,125 --> 01:27:27,165
It's not doing a Friday the 13th movie without Jason, to me. Right, right, no.

1160
01:27:28,585 --> 01:27:33,105
Or a Saw movie without Jake Soff. That can be successful.

1161
01:27:33,105 --> 01:27:37,965
Successful yeah spiral was great i really like spiral i'm the spiral defender

1162
01:27:37,965 --> 01:27:48,305
i know what if saw 11 is a spiral sequel you know that could be interesting if we're following,

1163
01:27:49,145 --> 01:27:58,145
oh gosh what was his name chris rock no the other guy his foil the guy i can't remember yeah i don't

1164
01:27:58,165 --> 01:28:03,285
remember names but the guy at the end who's like it was all his plan if we follow

1165
01:28:03,285 --> 01:28:12,625
him some more i can get on board okay but no more chris rock i just no i just don't think so okay yeah.

1166
01:28:13,505 --> 01:28:18,825
What if it's chris raw at the end of it it's will smith it's the bad guy at

1167
01:28:18,825 --> 01:28:23,705
the end of spiral too and he just slaps the shit out of chris rock i think that'd

1168
01:28:23,705 --> 01:28:27,045
be the end of the soft franchise I think that's where we'd put it to them.

1169
01:28:27,165 --> 01:28:29,445
You'd be like, that's when you would tap out.

1170
01:28:29,825 --> 01:28:35,965
And like the tape that gets played is like you put my wife's name in your mouth.

1171
01:28:35,985 --> 01:28:38,025
Right. And then you just get slapped.

1172
01:28:38,345 --> 01:28:41,745
All right, that joke's not dated whatsoever. No, no, it's very relevant.

1173
01:28:41,745 --> 01:28:43,545
So on that note, I think we're done.

1174
01:28:43,685 --> 01:28:46,585
I think we're all set. We did it. We did Paranormal Activity.

1175
01:28:47,145 --> 01:28:51,225
We did it. Ari, you've got a book coming out. Yeah, I do.

1176
01:28:52,005 --> 01:28:56,365
Tell us about it. Yeah. So you can pre-order Millennial Nasties,

1177
01:28:56,505 --> 01:29:01,665
Analyzing a Decade of Brutal Horror Film Violence from Encyclopocalypse Publications.

1178
01:29:01,925 --> 01:29:03,965
It comes out September 17th.

1179
01:29:04,285 --> 01:29:10,205
And if you want to tell a friend or if you want to share the pre-order link

1180
01:29:10,205 --> 01:29:14,005
on your socials, if you think that it looks neat, you can do that.

1181
01:29:14,125 --> 01:29:18,285
You can put it on your to read on Goodreads. Did you know that that helps authors?

1182
01:29:18,405 --> 01:29:24,105
That does help authors. so yeah you can find me on all the socials at ari underscore

1183
01:29:24,105 --> 01:29:27,705
hellraiser and i will be linking to it there.

1184
01:29:28,631 --> 01:29:33,871
Excellent. Cannot wait. I've read it, or I've read one of the earlier drafts of it.

1185
01:29:33,931 --> 01:29:36,651
I'm not sure if it was the final draft. It's fantastic.

1186
01:29:37,151 --> 01:29:42,471
Thank you. People should get it. People should put their hands on it. Do it or else.

1187
01:29:43,011 --> 01:29:45,451
Yeah, you heard me or else. I said it.

1188
01:29:46,111 --> 01:29:50,131
Listeners, please make sure that you are rating, reviewing and subscribing to

1189
01:29:50,131 --> 01:29:52,071
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1190
01:29:52,371 --> 01:29:57,031
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1191
01:29:57,031 --> 01:29:59,891
It all just kind of feels good to get a five-star review.

1192
01:30:00,091 --> 01:30:05,071
In a few kind words, it lets us know that we're on the right track and doing the right thing.

1193
01:30:05,951 --> 01:30:09,891
Yeah. I mean, it's nice to hear positive feedback and encouragement.

1194
01:30:10,231 --> 01:30:12,291
So keep saying this every week.

1195
01:30:12,871 --> 01:30:18,971
Do it. I don't know what else to say. Just fucking write some nice things about me. Okay? Mom?

1196
01:30:19,951 --> 01:30:25,311
What are you doing? I know you're listening, Ma. I want one compliment before

1197
01:30:25,311 --> 01:30:26,551
you die. That's all I want.

1198
01:30:27,031 --> 01:30:30,711
It's not too much. I told my mom the other day, my mom never relaxes.

1199
01:30:30,711 --> 01:30:37,771
Like she threw like a retirement party for my cousin a couple of weekends ago, last Saturday.

1200
01:30:38,251 --> 01:30:43,591
And she just doesn't relax ever. Like I'm so tired. And she runs around cleaning

1201
01:30:43,591 --> 01:30:46,131
everything. And I'm like, well, just sit down. She's like, no.

1202
01:30:46,671 --> 01:30:53,051
So when my mom dies, eventually, I'm going to have her made into an animatronic for her wake.

1203
01:30:53,211 --> 01:30:56,411
So it can go around the funeral parlor just cleaning everything.

1204
01:30:57,031 --> 01:31:01,811
Take people's cups up. Yeah, because that's my mom. Like, that will be...

1205
01:31:01,811 --> 01:31:04,891
Man, that is relatable. Yeah. Yeah. Jeez.

1206
01:31:05,471 --> 01:31:11,231
I feel like that's the best way to remember her. Yeah. She died as she lived, cleaning shit.

1207
01:31:13,031 --> 01:31:17,391
So, that got morbid. Anyway, love you, mom.

1208
01:31:18,683 --> 01:31:24,623
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1226
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And we'll be back next week with our ranking episode where we're going to talk

1227
01:32:37,523 --> 01:32:40,523
about how the seven movies shake out.

1228
01:32:40,583 --> 01:32:43,943
I think I'm going to do something interesting. thing i think when we rank them

1229
01:32:43,943 --> 01:32:49,663
and we give our numerical rankings if somebody ranks a movie last it's going

1230
01:32:49,663 --> 01:32:54,603
to get negative points so i think we should kind of punish a movie for being okay,

1231
01:32:55,243 --> 01:32:58,983
so it should be interesting yeah um we'll

1232
01:32:58,983 --> 01:33:01,983
see how that all turns out and then our next

1233
01:33:01,983 --> 01:33:07,523
series after that will be we're getting into a little super heroics here with

1234
01:33:07,523 --> 01:33:15,683
the half vampire half man all badass blade and a trilogy of films coming up

1235
01:33:15,683 --> 01:33:19,363
so I'm looking forward to that start your homework start watching blade,

1236
01:33:20,863 --> 01:33:22,863
don't stop watching blade just

1237
01:33:22,863 --> 01:33:30,943
continue to watch blade Ari it's always a pleasure have a killer weekend.

1238
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:49,123
Music.