PARANORMAL ACTIVITY: THE GHOST DIMENSION

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Music.

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Pod and the Pendulum, the horror movie

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podcast that covers all of the franchises, one movie in one episode at a time.

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As usual, I'm your host, Mike Snounian, and I'm joined today by Miss Hellraiser

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herself, Ariel Powershab.

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Ariel, how are we this evening?

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Hi, I'm doing great. I just came through a giant portal in the wall.

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Don't know where it came from, but we're going to find out.

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Your setup looks new i think

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yeah it actually is so i'm thinking

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like you just this poster is covering

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the portal to the ghost dimension excellent so

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when we're done you're just going to crawl right back in there yep

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into like a little garage somewhere excellent well we are here today to talk

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the sixth and the supposed to be final movie in the paranormal activity series

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the ghost dimension where this time they've warned us you will see the activity which.

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We saw something yes so

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ariel i'll ask like let's give our initial thoughts on this one and listeners

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i know that we're known for going long and going deep this one you might be

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able to like you know you might actually if you have like some brief errands

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to run like this might Might be a quickie. Yeah.

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You can just throw this on on your commute.

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Yeah. No. What's your initial thought? Like, where are we at at this point?

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Okay. So when I first saw this movie, it was when I was doing my Blu-ray box

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set watch through some years ago.

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And, you know, we talked on the fourth movie about how that one's kind of a

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little repetitive slump.

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And I didn't get to be on the Marked Ones episode with you and Devon.

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On. But like, that one has some disappointments in it, too.

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So going into the sixth one, I was kind of like, where are we going with this?

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And at the time, it was the last one next to Ken hadn't come out yet.

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And I remember liking this one a lot the first time I saw it.

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And I don't really remember why. I think maybe just because it goes for broke so hard.

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I was just like ready for that after the last two movies and watching them in

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like rapid succession. classroom.

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But when I rewatched it for this conversation, I was like, what did I really love about this?

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And it's not like there's nothing to like or we're going to,

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you know, shit all over it the whole time. But it's just sort of like.

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It's like partly a big old nothing burger and then partly way too much.

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And I'm just kind of like, what are you doing in this franchise that has made

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such good use of like subtlety and less is more?

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And then suddenly here we are with Ghost Dimension. And where are the ghosts

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and what's the dimension?

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Yeah. I think I know what it is that you like.

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I'm going to posit something right now. Okay, I'm excited. I'm going to say that Chris J.

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Murray, who plays Ryan, bears more than a passing resemblance to Josh Stewart,

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who plays Arkin in The Collector and The Collection.

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And I think every time that you're seeing Ryan on screen, subliminally,

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you're thinking of Arkin.

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Hold on. I'm Googling this in real time.

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So go ahead and do that. You're thinking of, look up The Collector.

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Look at Josh Stewart. Oh, I know what Arkin looks like, but.

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Okay, look at Chris J.

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Murray as Ryan J. Fleish. They look.

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Okay, you are not wrong.

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Yeah. So I think that there is more than a little. I think every time you're seeing Ryan.

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I'm thinking Arkin and I'm thinking about how much I love the collector.

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Maybe. I think that's what it might be. Oh, maybe. So maybe that's what's going

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on here. I do love the collector.

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This was a first-time watch for me. I bought that six-disc box set.

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I think it was like $10 for all the Blu-rays.

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And I just told you off-air, so listeners, I don't know if it's still the case,

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but if you're listening to this the day it drops, and we should still be in the month of April,

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if you go to the Apple Store, you should be able to buy all seven Paranormal

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Activity movies and the documentary as a bundle for like $9.99.

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So I did that because I needed Next of Kin and I figured, hey,

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why not just buy all of them for less money than it would cost to buy Next of Kin on its own for $15,

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even though I already own six of them on Blu-ray.

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Why not? What a value, you what a bargain but

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even though i already owned all the blu-rays i never

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watch this one like i would get to part four i would watch part one love it

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watch part two love it watch part three this is my jam watch part four and get

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vague flashbacks to how i felt about book of shadows which is not a.

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And then just not even want to continue. So Marked Once was a first time watch

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and this was the first time watch.

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And the general vibe I get is that no one's heart is really into making this movie. Yeah.

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I totally feel that with you. Yes. It just had that feeling like we know we

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have to make one. We know we have to wrap it up.

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We're going to tell everyone it's the last one. let's get

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this series over with so we can either move on

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to new things or move in a new direction and there

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are definitely some things to enjoy about it and to appreciate about

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it given the reputation of this movie that

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and it's a pretty poor reputation i had

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more fun with it than i thought i would but it's definitely near the bottom

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of the list i just think by part four i just got burned out on this franchise

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yeah it just ran out of steam marked ones definitely had a lot of moments i

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really enjoyed but that last act and how that movie ends is just so poor,

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yeah yeah you can listen to our episode on that.

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The draw of this movie being like, this time you'll see the activity,

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it simply means that we're going to add some really dodgy CGI and a demon that

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looks like something out of a PS3 horror game. It's not great.

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It's like skeleton ghost face 3D coming at you.

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Yeah. And I mean, I'm like, we have seen the activity. We saw Dennis's back

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turn into the letter C. Like, we've seen activity.

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Yeah. And we see that happen again. And we'll talk about that when we talk about this movie.

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Like, we see poor Dennis, everybody's favorite stepdad. We see that again.

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So, yeah. Let's talk a little bit about the background of this one, how it got made.

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And Arielle, do you want to kick things off? Sure thing.

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I read maybe it was a Letterboxd review or something, but someone was like,

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this is what happened when they try to do one without Christopher Landon.

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And I was like, oh, yeah, maybe.

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So this movie came out in 2015, October 23rd. If it's October,

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it must be Paranormal Activity.

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But the release date got pushed around a few times, like the previous films.

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So it was originally slated for 2013.

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And it was promoted as the final film in the series, as we mentioned.

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But then, as you listeners know, we have Next of Kin to talk about as well.

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Well, and Mike, I think you put a note here that this was supposed to be the

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fifth one, but we got marked ones instead, which I think would have made more sense.

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Yeah, I think it would have made more sense because then you could have wrapped

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up the whole Katie storyline.

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Yeah. You know, with that and then and then do marked ones. Yeah.

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And then the marked ones you could have removed. Yeah.

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All of the because that one was supposed to be a quote unquote cousin to the original films.

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And then you could have like removed all of the awkward shoehorning at the end

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of that movie where you like bring it back to that home.

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And you have I think you would have had a much better ending.

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You could have still had like the midwives and all that and still tied them

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in. You could still have had Allie in it.

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But you could have been like, well, why are we time traveling back into Katie's

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house? Like that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Yeah. Yeah. This was supposed to be where the Marked Ones was.

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And they got maybe a little bit gun shy about having like a fifth movie set

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in like a white suburban upper middle class home.

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Like we had to change things up a bit. And the Marked Ones feel so fresh that

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in some ways I'm like, oh, that makes sense.

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But then going into the ghost dimension, you're kind of like,

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and then we're back here again.

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Yeah. I mean, because if you did the Marked Ones, then Next of Kin,

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it's kind of like Andrew Bourdain. Doing an anthology.

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It's like Andrew Bourdain, like the touring the paranormal activity world. Anthony Bourdain?

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That's true. Yes. My bad. I was like, who's this person?

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I don't know. His second cousin that isn't a chef. He's an amateur ghost hunter.

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Oh, actually, I'd watch that show.

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So this movie was directed by Gregory Plotkin. This was his directorial debut.

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And it was written by Jason Harry Pagan, Andrew Deutschman, Adam Robitel, and Gavin Heffernan.

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Plotkin served as an editor for the second, third, and fourth films.

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And so much like we saw in the Saw franchise, people who had done other things

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on the production earlier, like Kevin Gertrude being the editor for so many

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early films, then getting to direct one.

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They did that in this franchise, too, although, I don't know, maybe Gregory Plotkin.

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I don't want to blame all this whole film on Gregory Plotkin,

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but didn't turn out as well as Saw VI.

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A lot of people to blame this on. Yeah. Plotkin's interesting because his career

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goes all the way back to the late 80s.

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He'd gotten his start on a movie called Warlords in 88.

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And he'd been doing editing. He edited things like Weekend at Bernie's 2.

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He had served as one of the editors on that.

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But he'd worked with like on Pleasantville.

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He'd worked with Michael Mann on The Insider.

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He'd done things like Pay It Forward, Friday Night Lights. So he'd worked in

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a number of things and then, you know, a number of like A-list movies.

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And then by like 2010, he'd settled into a groove like working on...

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And he also had done World War Z.

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He had come on like as an uncredited editor as well to do some additional work. But he...

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Basically like started to edit from paranormal activity

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to all of these movies he also

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is the director of hell fest which i

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love is awesome so he's he he

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hasn't really directed much besides that i think he did another movie called

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crimson and some shorts did he not direct escape room or was he a writer on

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that i don't know i don't see escape room as part oh gosh no i'm I'm thinking of Adam Robitel. Yes.

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Okay. Yes. Gregory Lepokkin.

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Yes. I'm with you. But Hellfest is awesome.

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I really like Hellfest. And I love that you like Hellfest because I feel like

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nobody's talking about it enough.

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Maybe this year we should do a Halloween special on Hellfest because it rules.

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We interviewed the writer way back when. Okay. Way, way, way back,

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Jerry and I, like in our first year, because that movie rules.

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So it's not that he's a bad director. I just think maybe given the material...

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There's just a lot here. There's just so much you can do.

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Yeah. And this is a case where there's like...

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Story by has like three credits to it. Screenplay has like four or five credits

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to it. Like there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen.

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Christopher Landon, not involved in this one.

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Like you mentioned, like one of the Letterboxd reviews saying he had...

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I mean, by this time, like he's working on like Happy Death Day and prepping

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his work, other works at this point. Right.

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Too many cooks in the kitchen. And like we said, that feeling like,

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okay, guys, let's wrap this up.

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And like nobody's heart's really in it because there's so many visions to sort of try to parse.

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

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So the release...

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Oh, no, sorry. I was going to mention the cinematography. So the cinematographer

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was John Rutland, and he gave the actors, I'm not familiar with these cameras,

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but Sony PMW-200 camcorders for the first person in filming.

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And he built Sony camera to look like a large shoulder mount camera as a set

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piece to film specific scares.

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Like there are times in this movie where they're carrying around a big old hulking camera.

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And they used several Sony A7Ss for low-light surveillance footage.

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So a found footage movie where they're using a bunch of different cameras for

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a bunch of different shots. You guys know how I feel about that.

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So the release. In July, Paramount announced that it had struck a deal with

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AMC Entertainment and Cineplex to make Scout's Guide to the Zombie Apocalypse

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and Ghost Dimension available digitally 17 days after they dropped below 300 theaters,

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as a part of a larger experiment, and they asked other theaters to join in.

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In return, Paramount would share an undisclosed portion of the proceeds of the VOD revenues.

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So they were like, hey, big theater chains, as we sort of drop off in theaters,

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17 days after that, we're going to put this on VOD and give you some money.

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Would you like to be a part of this deal?

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So that meant Ghost Dimension only went out roughly to about 1,350 North American

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theaters when opening on October 23rd.

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And that's compared to 2,883 theaters for the last title and well north of 3,000

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theaters for each of the previous three films.

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So it's releasing in way fewer films because not or in way fewer theaters because

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not every theater wanted to take part in this experiment, which makes sense.

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So, according to early pre-release tracking, the film was pacing to open at

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$10 to $12 million in the U.S. and Canada, despite the fact that the film had

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the added benefit of 3D pricing.

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This movie was the first paranormal activity in 3D.

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Which is super weird for a found footage movie. Dude, yes.

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It doesn't make a gosh dang bit of sense. Yes.

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And that's compared to $18.3 million for the marked ones.

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So even though this movie is more expensive to go see, it's not making a ton

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of money, probably partly because it's not in very many theaters.

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It's in like half the theaters, and people are kind of burned out.

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So Rob Moore, who is the vice chairman of Paramount, said, there's no question

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that we're going to do less theatrically, but I believe we will make it up digitally.

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This is about the long-term health of the business, so there's not this long

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period of time when a consumer can't watch a movie.

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And this is pre-pandemic when we had lockdowns when studios were releasing movies

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on VOD at the same time in theaters or instead of.

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And so even with hindsight of that now, I'm curious, what do you think of that

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statement looking back on the last few years of streaming versus theaters?

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So, this is what happens when you have people that don't necessarily love movies

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running movie studios. Yes.

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This even predates, because right at this point you would have had like Netflix being your giant.

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But even then, Hulu's known mostly for like replaying TV shows.

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This predates Disney+. plus it predates hbo

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max it predates all of

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these other like niche streamers that are saying

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like we're going to get all of this content and

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we're going to create content under this umbrella and attract subscribers peacock

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paramount all of that fun stuff oh yeah that was years away so we're still in

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this model where people are are thinking like you pay to go to a theater You

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get all your money theatrically.

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And then you would, like, either buy it on DVD. Like, even now,

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like, with 4K and Blu-ray, DVD still, when people buy physical media, John Q.

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Public still buys, in terms of, like, overall dollars, more DVDs than they do, like, Blu-ray or 4K.

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Oh, interesting. Which blows my mind. Like, yeah, that absolutely.

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I didn't realize that until I read that recently either.

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Like, that absolutely blows my mind. like

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why at this point but again like we're

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kind of like super into movies and yeah like

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want to pay for that extra upgrade that's and

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want it on like the best format possible where others

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are just like yeah just give me i just want to have

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the movie for whatever i want it just doesn't

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make any sense like why you would want to cut out

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your biggest revenue stream and piss

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off the theaters yeah for maybe making

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some money like when you look at what these movies make on

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video on demand it's not like a

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ton it doesn't really compare it it

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feels like a dump more than anything else and what you're priming it's that

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first shot across the bow and we're going to talk about this i think a lot more

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next episode we talk about next akin when you have movies that are like Like

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now you're pulling movies that were supposed to go into theaters and saying, no,

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we want to use this for our subscription model,

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which I just, I don't know people that subscribe to a service because of like,

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oh, we're getting this original content on there.

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Like, you know, that just doesn't make sense to me.

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Yeah. It devalues the brand, if anything.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess it depends on the service. There's just so many now it's

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so fractured that I'm sort of like, you know, I'm not going to pay for all of

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them. So I got to pick and choose the ones I want.

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And like, especially thinking about dumping this on VOD,

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when they bothered to shoot it in 3D, like, they're not making you pay for a

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3D ticket at the theater, but you don't pay for a 3D ticket on VOD.

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Do you like maybe the rentals a little bit more expensive, but it's not comparable.

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So I'm kind of just like, what did you do that for? Yep.

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The only thing I can think is like, this is a sacrificial lamb.

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Yeah. Like this is the, we got to wrap it up. Not, not, not really that per

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se is that, and that they're thinking like this movie is only going to cost

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us like $10 million to make.

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So it's not like a Mission Impossible movie where you have like hundreds of

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millions of dollars wrapped up in the production of it and then the marketing

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of it where you can't really strong arm a theater.

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Like if you tell AMC we're going to go this route and we're going to like put

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it on video on demand very quickly. Right.

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And the movie only cost $10 million and the theaters tell you to pound sand

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and you only play it in a half the theaters you did than the previous installment.

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That's not going to be as much of a loss than if you did that for,

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say, like I said, Mission Impossible or one of the Scream movies or any other

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like big budget, huge, like a Fast and Furious movie.

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Mm hmm. saying, this is what we're going to do in the future,

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and this is the first movie we're going to do it with, preparing theaters for this eventuality.

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Yeah, they were willing to burn this experiment, yeah.

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So in its opening weekend, the film grossed $8.1 million, finishing sixth at the box office.

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And as of November 15, 2015, it had grossed $18.3 million in North America and

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$60.6 million in other territories for a worldwide total of 78.9 million against a budget of 10 million,

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so yeah they made back their budget but it was

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making it the poorest performing film in the series and it grossed 1.5 million

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in home sales yeah and i think the thing too like when you look at that 60 million

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in other territories i don't think when a movie does well like in china or other territories.

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I don't think studios get the same percentage of a cut thing do in the U S I

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think it's a lower percentage. Yeah.

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I think so. They have to like do way, way better than they normally would to

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make the same amount of money.

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Yeah. And look at that home sale number. Like that is.

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That's culture pennies. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if anybody has 1.5 million,

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they want to get me, I'll take it. But for a movie, no, no.

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So it's not doing great, but I do have a few fun facts just to like have some

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more positive notes on this production of this film.

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So it's the first installment not to star Katie Featherstone,

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although Katie's mentioned often.

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And I could not find a citation, but this is mentioned on Wikipedia,

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and it's really fun if it's true.

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Industrial Light and Magic supposedly created the 3D visual effects,

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especially for the the creation of the toby demon i have no idea if that's true

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so listeners fact check it tell us because that would be a super fun fact yeah

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that'd be disappointing if it was them yeah well that's kind of the thing is

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i'm like oh no i hope they didn't i could not find a citation for that,

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and i thought this one was fun too so around the

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51 minute mark ryan and emily show

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father todd footage of a young christy

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and katie playing bloody mary which was included

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in the trailers for paranormal activity 3 but it

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wasn't included in the film and people were mad about that at the time so the

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ghost dimension sort of retcons that by saying oh the girls played this game

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after they started their coven training and i you know i love a good retcon

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so i love a good retcon Yeah.

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Yeah. Yes.

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So let's talk about this movie. Let's go. Let's talk about this.

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And I think we should start where we have so often with this series with the found footage test.

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The why are you filming? Why, indeed, I think each movie has gotten further

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away from believability. Yeah.

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Yeah. Because why do you think for this particular one?

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It's like so far away from being believable.

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There's not a reason to start. Like in the first two movies,

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they're like, we are filming paranormal activity and we're filming some family stuff.

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In the third movie, it starts as we're filming family stuff,

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but also I'm a videographer. So I'm going to film this weird stuff.

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In the fourth one, teenagers running across the street with their laptops.

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But we do believe that teenagers would be having Skype calls all the time.

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So we go with that. The marked ones, they don't really explain why they start

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filming other than he thinks, hey, cool, here's the camera. And it certainly

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doesn't make sense when they continue.

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So, like, by the time we've gotten to this one, I guess the only plausible reason

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to say they started is because it's Christmas time and they're,

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like, filming their daughter and they have family visiting.

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But even still, they're filming the most mundane stuff.

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Off and in 2015 i don't feel

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like that was the case like i

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was thinking about especially during your conversation about the marked

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ones i was thinking about myself as a teenager and

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we did have a camcorder and like we did

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film ourselves doing just stupid stunts like rollerblading

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around and being idiots but that was like look

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at me do this trick on my roller skates and then

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you'd fall down and you'd have that in the ghost

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dimension it's like we're filming nothing and

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then someone comes in the house and then there starts to be some creepy stuff

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but at that point you think they would stop filming and run away so this one

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just sort of like falls apart at the seams yeah they're filming things like

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he goes the dad ryan goes into lila's tent he's like hey Today,

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I kind of want to have a conversation with you about why you were outside last night.

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It's like, well, why are you filming this conversation?

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Or, you know, like, just like I'm sitting on the couch using my iPad.

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It's like, why are you filming these, like, absolute, or why are you filming

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the conversation with your wife about who sold you the house? Yep. Right?

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Yep. There's like nothing dynamic about this whatsoever.

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And there's no reason to be filming it. It's not like in the second one,

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you could chalk it up to like, well, there are security cameras. So they never stop.

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That are set up. Yeah. All throughout the house.

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So you're kind of capturing everything.

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And I think in the, like you said, in the fourth one, they have like this software

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that is always recording that's been installed.

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So you're kind of like always getting this footage. marked ones you have two

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dopey 18 year old kids that are like recreating jackass they're just doing everything.

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This is just like a man, grown man child who, for whatever reason,

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is just like in even instances were like, oh, my daughter is in danger.

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First, let me pick up the camera and like move it around and then like tell

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everybody to leave the home.

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It just like it doesn't make a lick of sense. And even the reason the film to

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begin with, like he sees what most of us would imagine are just like dust mites.

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Yes. Do you know what I mean? Like that thing is like, I wonder what this weird

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thing is in the middle of my living room where I would look at that. It's probably the lens.

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Yeah. I'd be like, oh, those are like dust mites. And then I would move along

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with my day and never be bothered again. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

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I think, like I said about the fourth movie, I actually think I would enjoy

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this movie more if it was not found footage.

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And I say that as a found footage lover. lover just because

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i do like some of the story elements they're

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kind of fun but it being such

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implausible found footage really takes me out

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there's a moment in the next one where it feels

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like they drop the conceit for a minute yeah at

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the very end i'm really mad about it mike and we're

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going to talk about really in fact with the end of the movie where

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it just starts going to different angles there's a

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very specific thing in next of

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kin there's a specific moment where i just kind of way

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i was exasperated near the end of the movie okay i

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think we're talking about probably okay so we'll definitely

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discuss that oh a few days we'll get into it for i'm

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kind of like i think we've just completely disregarded the conceit and i'm not

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even mad about it at this point because what have you been saying in the first

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place don't do it in the first place i kind of feel like what have we been saying

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for like four movies now like don't even make it you know at this point,

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you know what, I'm okay with it.

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Okay, I'd rather have fun than not.

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So I'm trying to have fun with it. Yeah, but just like the other thing too is like.

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Hey, before every important conversation, let me make sure that I place the

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camera at just the right Dutch angle, you know, just like, yes, yes.

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And also, like, why are you still filming? Yeah.

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At what point do you stop filming and maybe call a child psychologist?

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Yeah, maybe when your daughter is literally in danger and endangering others,

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there's like, they're not filming it as if they're going, we need to show a

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doctor what's happening.

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They're filming it voyeuristically. Yeah, for no reason.

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Yeah, yeah. Right? It's not even like he's showing this footage to his wife going.

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Look what you missed today. Look what you missed. He's just telling her. He's just describing.

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And then the recording of the descriptions of the conversations,

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I'm just like, what level? What are we doing?

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It's like show, don't tell. I mean, it's the first rule of, you know,

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like the moment where there is like this black goo following my daughter down

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the hallway, that's the moment where I'm like, let me show you this.

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And then maybe we should pack a bag and get the hell out of here.

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This is the movie where leaving the house actually would matter.

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Right. And they almost do it. I mean, they do do it for a little bit.

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And then she walks six miles home.

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Yeah. Very pleased. You know, what six-year-olds have is a tremendous sense of direction.

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And the parents are like, we just fell asleep for like two minutes.

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She had walked six miles Right, so I believe that Yeah.

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Yeah. At what point are you just like, we need to bring our daughter to see

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somebody. Yeah. Things aren't going well for her.

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What would have made this believable is if like it was a mommy blogger and they

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were like maybe exploiting their child.

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Unfortunately, that would be very believable. Right.

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If they had done something like, oh, we bought this house.

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We know that it was like the site of

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this tragedy like if they knew when they

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bought it that like oh we know two girls disappeared from

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here here and it's been

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rumored to be like strange comings and

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goings and we're going to you know

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they're going to grave encounters it right right they're going

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to set up this kind of haunt and then it ends up backfiring

442
00:32:59,722 --> 00:33:02,542
on them like that would have have been kind of like

443
00:33:02,542 --> 00:33:05,662
a really incredible way or could

444
00:33:05,662 --> 00:33:08,362
have been it could have been a really fun way to kind

445
00:33:08,362 --> 00:33:11,282
of engineer the hunt instead you get

446
00:33:11,282 --> 00:33:14,682
like oh we're just a pair of like bible thumpers

447
00:33:14,682 --> 00:33:21,602
yeah we'll call a priest because i definitely want like an old priest around

448
00:33:21,602 --> 00:33:28,362
my young child alone super trustworthy yeah no problems there definitely rub

449
00:33:28,362 --> 00:33:32,322
my child's forehead yeah that's That's weird. That's weird. Super weird.

450
00:33:33,882 --> 00:33:37,962
Okay. I think we have a disagreement over who's cutting this together.

451
00:33:38,422 --> 00:33:44,202
Tell me why you don't buy the Toby is an amateur filmmaker premise.

452
00:33:45,622 --> 00:33:51,602
He's incorporeal. So I think you need a body to kind of cut this footage together.

453
00:33:52,322 --> 00:33:57,922
Okay. Is it not? So I'm trying to channel Devon right now. Now,

454
00:33:57,942 --> 00:34:04,982
Toby Horcruxes himself out into different people who he uses to edit the footage.

455
00:34:05,382 --> 00:34:09,602
Yeah. I don't know, dude. I can't even make this work anymore.

456
00:34:09,942 --> 00:34:12,882
Because you have like a whole team of midwives.

457
00:34:13,362 --> 00:34:17,402
Yeah. Maybe they're the ones. That's who I'm thinking.

458
00:34:17,642 --> 00:34:21,262
Okay. Maybe the midwives. That makes these movies make sense.

459
00:34:21,262 --> 00:34:27,462
You know, I think the other theory is like these tapes are discovered later

460
00:34:27,462 --> 00:34:33,322
on by like the authorities or some sort of like detectives or investigators,

461
00:34:33,722 --> 00:34:39,982
and they're trying to cut together the most compelling footage for like the

462
00:34:39,982 --> 00:34:45,962
investigation or an eventual case to kind of put together what's going on here. Yeah.

463
00:34:46,522 --> 00:34:48,522
I think that could be the case.

464
00:34:49,242 --> 00:34:53,842
I guess especially in this movie, because we do see so much activity,

465
00:34:54,162 --> 00:34:58,422
especially if they're trying to build a case against the parents or something, but...

466
00:34:59,403 --> 00:35:02,683
What case could there be? Because they're both dead.

467
00:35:03,883 --> 00:35:07,603
One's dead for 14 years in the past.

468
00:35:09,563 --> 00:35:14,503
The timey-wimey elements of this do not make a damn bit of sense either.

469
00:35:14,503 --> 00:35:16,463
No, we'll definitely get to that at the end here.

470
00:35:16,603 --> 00:35:22,963
Yeah. I made the note that like we kind of mentioned this earlier on after they

471
00:35:22,963 --> 00:35:26,843
attempted to broaden the scope of the series with the marked ones,

472
00:35:27,063 --> 00:35:33,723
like not just by including a different culture, by having like a Latino family

473
00:35:33,723 --> 00:35:37,763
and Latino friends and really a whole community of persons,

474
00:35:37,923 --> 00:35:46,663
but also showing that it wasn't just this one family of like Katie and Christy being targeted by Toby.

475
00:35:46,763 --> 00:35:52,903
But really like the midwives were targeting a number of women and trying to

476
00:35:52,903 --> 00:35:59,823
get their firstborn children and showing like how far and vast this whole thing was spreading.

477
00:35:59,823 --> 00:36:06,623
And it's kind of amazing that after like one kind of like side quill, they're like, nope,

478
00:36:06,763 --> 00:36:12,343
we're going to quickly return to like a white upper middle class family and

479
00:36:12,343 --> 00:36:18,643
a sprawling suburban home after the marked ones did really well, but not quite as well.

480
00:36:18,823 --> 00:36:21,943
It's like parts like one, two, three and four.

481
00:36:22,583 --> 00:36:29,243
Yeah. Like what they thought was missing was this white McMansion family.

482
00:36:29,823 --> 00:36:34,003
Yeah. Did you watch the alternate ending? I don't think so.

483
00:36:34,903 --> 00:36:40,363
So we'll definitely talk about it at the end. But they even like sneak in a

484
00:36:40,363 --> 00:36:45,223
quick line that made me chuckle where it's like, oh, cute little bungalow,

485
00:36:45,223 --> 00:36:48,483
like five bedroom house for a three person family.

486
00:36:48,683 --> 00:36:53,063
And that actually made me chuckle. It's like, yeah, like what the fuck is that all about?

487
00:36:53,263 --> 00:36:56,763
Five bedroom house for a three person family. In what economy?

488
00:36:57,223 --> 00:36:58,923
Yes. In this economy?

489
00:37:01,343 --> 00:37:03,003
It's yeah, it's just incredible.

490
00:37:04,445 --> 00:37:09,545
It's not only that, but we're getting back to like the night one and like the stationary camera.

491
00:37:09,625 --> 00:37:14,265
We're getting like, okay, we tried something with all the handheld cameras and the marked ones.

492
00:37:14,565 --> 00:37:19,665
We don't feel that maybe audiences hit with it the way we wanted it to.

493
00:37:20,105 --> 00:37:23,765
So we're going to go back to like playing the hits essentially. Yeah.

494
00:37:24,205 --> 00:37:29,145
And I think it's really why I would have flip flopped the two entries.

495
00:37:29,245 --> 00:37:33,725
And I almost wonder how I would have felt if like in watching these movies,

496
00:37:33,865 --> 00:37:40,225
if I flip flop them, if I would have felt maybe a little bit stronger on each one if I had done that.

497
00:37:40,225 --> 00:37:45,645
I wonder if there's like, like if some fan out there has like a good suggested

498
00:37:45,645 --> 00:37:49,985
order to watch these movies to get the best viewing experience.

499
00:37:50,585 --> 00:37:56,965
I know that there's allegedly for the first three movies, there's like a cut

500
00:37:56,965 --> 00:38:01,285
of them where it's kind of like your godfather cut that takes all the movies

501
00:38:01,285 --> 00:38:04,025
and cuts them in chronological order.

502
00:38:04,185 --> 00:38:06,825
Okay. There's that for the first three movies.

503
00:38:07,065 --> 00:38:11,125
That would be interesting. Interesting. I don't know if that would be the best

504
00:38:11,125 --> 00:38:15,545
way to watch those stories, but it would be really interesting. Yeah.

505
00:38:16,085 --> 00:38:25,025
What do you think of the decision to begin this movie by starting out with the

506
00:38:25,025 --> 00:38:29,925
end of the third movie and going to that sequence where they like break poor

507
00:38:29,925 --> 00:38:34,145
Dennis's back and have Katie and Christy like walk up the stairs?

508
00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:40,465
I mean, it's telling us right away at the beginning, don't worry about the last two movies.

509
00:38:41,945 --> 00:38:46,385
It's reminding us of the first three movies that we loved and going,

510
00:38:46,485 --> 00:38:50,645
this is where we're picking back up. So on the one hand, I'm kind of like,

511
00:38:50,785 --> 00:38:56,545
okay, if we're going to throw back that fire in the series, it's good to give people a reminder.

512
00:38:57,045 --> 00:39:01,285
But I'm also kind of like, I feel like we talked about in number four,

513
00:39:01,385 --> 00:39:04,185
like trust your audience a little bit and have some reveals.

514
00:39:04,985 --> 00:39:08,445
Like maybe that could have been a way to do it.

515
00:39:08,505 --> 00:39:14,585
But this feels like previously on Paranormal Activity. Yes. And also like you trust your audience,

516
00:39:14,705 --> 00:39:21,505
you show Katie and Christy because you go to immediately go to like what happened

517
00:39:21,505 --> 00:39:24,765
right after and like, oh, they're four years older.

518
00:39:24,825 --> 00:39:27,945
Like they aged four years just walking up the stairs.

519
00:39:28,745 --> 00:39:31,965
Yeah, that's a good point too. It's just like you don't really...

520
00:39:33,045 --> 00:39:36,705
It's like the asses are already in the seats. We already have your money.

521
00:39:36,905 --> 00:39:40,805
So we're just going to, it feels a little insulting. Yeah, that's true.

522
00:39:41,105 --> 00:39:45,645
Like you two are clearly, it's like what we didn't tell you ladies is that by

523
00:39:45,645 --> 00:39:50,305
when you're possessed, you're immediately going to age in dog years.

524
00:39:50,785 --> 00:39:54,005
Sorry about that. The staircase does it. When you walk up the staircase,

525
00:39:54,185 --> 00:39:56,665
it ages you. Sorry about that.

526
00:39:59,305 --> 00:40:02,525
That's why all the midwives look so old. Yeah. if

527
00:40:02,525 --> 00:40:05,765
they're not because they are old it's just they're aging

528
00:40:05,765 --> 00:40:08,465
super quick all right where do you want to

529
00:40:08,465 --> 00:40:14,505
go with this where do you want to gosh i should we talk about struggling tonight

530
00:40:14,505 --> 00:40:20,405
listeners listeners should we talk about uncle mike let's talk about uncle mike

531
00:40:20,405 --> 00:40:26,405
yeah so i don't know i feel like him he should start a band with like mika.

532
00:40:29,665 --> 00:40:32,605
Daniel and daniel they could start

533
00:40:32,605 --> 00:40:35,885
like a trio yeah and the totally detached

534
00:40:35,885 --> 00:40:42,625
father from four whose name i don't remember he's just like hey computers huh

535
00:40:42,625 --> 00:40:47,905
fucking wacky see i put him in a different category that's true he's like a

536
00:40:47,905 --> 00:40:53,585
harmless divorce yeah you know his wife doesn't love him anymore. She only owns one shirt.

537
00:40:54,565 --> 00:40:58,525
That's a lot. He doesn't know when his kids' soccer games are.

538
00:40:58,745 --> 00:41:02,405
He's going through a lot. He can't find the damn knife. That's true.

539
00:41:02,425 --> 00:41:03,485
He's going through a lot.

540
00:41:04,885 --> 00:41:06,805
Uncle Mike is...

541
00:41:08,046 --> 00:41:13,126
Okay, in 2015, we should not have a character like Uncle Mike.

542
00:41:13,306 --> 00:41:17,126
We shouldn't. Uncle Mike feels like a throwback to an earlier time where,

543
00:41:17,186 --> 00:41:24,646
you know, sexual misconduct was played as a hilarious joke. Yeah. And I'm like, wow.

544
00:41:25,266 --> 00:41:29,006
Eli Roth looks at this guy and he's like, ooh, you're a bit much. Yeah.

545
00:41:29,626 --> 00:41:36,166
Yes. So I'm kind of like, can Uncle Mike leave Skylar alone for 30 seconds?

546
00:41:36,786 --> 00:41:40,086
No, he can't. he can't yeah he's straight

547
00:41:40,086 --> 00:41:44,146
out of williamsburg with that mustache what's williamsburg

548
00:41:44,146 --> 00:41:47,126
you know like new york oh okay

549
00:41:47,126 --> 00:41:49,786
okay okay no i'm not cool enough to know

550
00:41:49,786 --> 00:41:55,766
things he's he's i put in my notes like he's a consent violation waiting to

551
00:41:55,766 --> 00:42:02,926
happen yes yes he's like a walking psa for what not to do yeah like when he

552
00:42:02,926 --> 00:42:07,226
opens the door you just are kind of waiting for him to say like we're not Not

553
00:42:07,226 --> 00:42:09,446
within a thousand feet of a school, are we?

554
00:42:09,546 --> 00:42:15,466
Because I'm not allowed to be here if that's the case. I would have to go.

555
00:42:15,746 --> 00:42:22,106
I think at one point he says, like, fuck it. Next time I'm just going to stay with mom.

556
00:42:22,386 --> 00:42:27,586
Like, oh, like you're not like he's doing them a huge favor by like staying

557
00:42:27,586 --> 00:42:30,346
in their super nice house and eating their food.

558
00:42:30,386 --> 00:42:34,026
Right. And being like a total dipshit asshole.

559
00:42:34,026 --> 00:42:36,986
And you have a note here like what

560
00:42:36,986 --> 00:42:43,306
is the point of skylar's character yeah i really just think to be harassed by

561
00:42:43,306 --> 00:42:49,306
uncle mike because she doesn't otherwise you could remove her character from

562
00:42:49,306 --> 00:42:54,286
the movie and it doesn't change anything no it just gives uncle mike like a

563
00:42:54,286 --> 00:42:55,866
something to work against.

564
00:42:57,127 --> 00:43:03,927
So I thought when they brought her in and she's kind of like a guru, it sounds like.

565
00:43:03,967 --> 00:43:07,527
She's like a spiritualist. She's like a cool witchy chick.

566
00:43:08,007 --> 00:43:14,807
Yeah. Yeah. So it immediately made me think that either A, she was going to

567
00:43:14,807 --> 00:43:20,107
be like part of the coven and kind of like guiding things behind the scenes.

568
00:43:20,307 --> 00:43:24,407
You're going to find out she was in on it. that they were going to do something

569
00:43:24,407 --> 00:43:27,207
interesting with her character,

570
00:43:27,707 --> 00:43:31,947
something where you would point to it and be like, oh, she's pulling the strings

571
00:43:31,947 --> 00:43:35,307
here with this family. That would have been good. Right? That would have made sense.

572
00:43:36,527 --> 00:43:39,807
Then I started to think, are there any horror movies about yoga?

573
00:43:40,107 --> 00:43:43,287
And there is. There's one that played at Telluride a few years ago.

574
00:43:43,347 --> 00:43:48,847
There is Mind, Body, Spirit, which is a found footage yoga movie.

575
00:43:49,067 --> 00:43:51,727
Oh, I haven't heard of that. It's pretty good.

576
00:43:52,447 --> 00:43:56,527
I would check it out. I forgot about it for a little bit. It's like a yoga,

577
00:43:56,607 --> 00:44:02,727
like YouTube yoga influencer who's trying to record these videos and it gets

578
00:44:02,727 --> 00:44:08,047
progressively more weird and disturbing as it goes on. It's called Mind Body Spirit.

579
00:44:08,427 --> 00:44:14,307
That sounds awesome. But I thought she would have like Skylar would have more and more to do.

580
00:44:15,147 --> 00:44:23,307
It just also like she's staying with the family for some reason. Is she related?

581
00:44:23,627 --> 00:44:24,867
Is she a friend?

582
00:44:25,327 --> 00:44:29,827
I don't remember. She just seems to be a family friend.

583
00:44:30,227 --> 00:44:35,307
You know, she just seems to be there to tempt the males, basically.

584
00:44:35,487 --> 00:44:39,127
I mean, that's really her whole role. Okay.

585
00:44:39,347 --> 00:44:44,787
Because she's like very lovely. Like her job is to be extremely pretty.

586
00:44:44,967 --> 00:44:49,187
Yes. She's very pretty. She's very welcoming and charming. Like that's what

587
00:44:49,187 --> 00:44:51,867
she's in this movie to do and she does it. Mm hmm.

588
00:44:52,367 --> 00:44:58,087
Yeah. There's nothing she does in the movie, though, that like the mom couldn't have done.

589
00:44:58,167 --> 00:45:00,447
Yeah, no, she's completely inconsequential.

590
00:45:01,403 --> 00:45:09,323
So it's just like, why are you here? Except, like you said, to get hit on by Mike at one point.

591
00:45:10,483 --> 00:45:15,323
Mike, come on. You are. She's so far. At one point, she's like, I could use some wine.

592
00:45:15,543 --> 00:45:18,363
And he's like, oh, wine? wine and he's

593
00:45:18,363 --> 00:45:21,683
like like like he thinks

594
00:45:21,683 --> 00:45:24,643
if she has like one glass of wine all of

595
00:45:24,643 --> 00:45:28,063
a sudden it's going to turn to that scene from the naked gun where like

596
00:45:28,063 --> 00:45:34,243
frank and priscilla presley like unzip their clothes and slip on body condoms

597
00:45:34,243 --> 00:45:38,403
like it's just going to take one glass of wine for that to happen like i'm sorry

598
00:45:38,403 --> 00:45:42,343
mike like she's so far out of here especially with that dirty stash like that

599
00:45:42,343 --> 00:45:46,483
is It's just not going to happen. It's the breakup stash.

600
00:45:47,163 --> 00:45:52,063
Oh, God, yeah. Like, is it a shock that he got dumped? Is it at all?

601
00:45:52,503 --> 00:45:55,763
No. It's kind of shocking that someone put up with this bullshit forever.

602
00:45:56,223 --> 00:45:59,123
Enough to move in with him long enough.

603
00:45:59,603 --> 00:46:03,483
So I think when we do our rankings episode, we'll do some side rankings.

604
00:46:04,143 --> 00:46:08,983
And they'll definitely be, like, the biggest, like, douchebags in the series.

605
00:46:09,023 --> 00:46:10,403
I love that. I'm excited. We have to rank.

606
00:46:10,723 --> 00:46:14,883
We'll have to definitely rank them. We should do that. So what are your thoughts

607
00:46:14,883 --> 00:46:19,363
about this family, like the core family, which is, you know,

608
00:46:19,363 --> 00:46:25,523
Ryan is the dad, Emily is your mom, and Leela is the little girl. Yeah.

609
00:46:27,078 --> 00:46:32,698
I really don't have much of a reaction to the dad. I've apparently replaced

610
00:46:32,698 --> 00:46:34,078
him in my mind with Arkin.

611
00:46:34,818 --> 00:46:37,418
I mean, he's the guy holding the camera most of the time.

612
00:46:38,378 --> 00:46:46,438
Emily, I do like how Ryan and Emily, they seem to believe each other and be on each other's side.

613
00:46:46,778 --> 00:46:49,618
That's refreshing in these movies. movies

614
00:46:49,618 --> 00:46:52,538
like even though they're not maybe making the

615
00:46:52,538 --> 00:46:55,758
best decisions they seem to be like on the

616
00:46:55,758 --> 00:46:58,558
same page about what's happening I thought that was nice to

617
00:46:58,558 --> 00:47:05,178
see Lila's a cute little kid of course she's adorable she's really good at being

618
00:47:05,178 --> 00:47:09,518
creepy when it's her time to be creepy that actress is really good at that but

619
00:47:09,518 --> 00:47:15,158
I'm just kind of like throughout the movie I was like why is she special Why

620
00:47:15,158 --> 00:47:16,798
does she matter? Why was she picked?

621
00:47:16,978 --> 00:47:21,178
And then we get some explanation about she was born at the same moment as Hunter.

622
00:47:21,758 --> 00:47:24,818
On 6-6-5. Right.

623
00:47:25,758 --> 00:47:32,418
I can't even get that right. I can't even fully remember the explanation because

624
00:47:32,418 --> 00:47:34,758
it didn't really make sense to me.

625
00:47:35,678 --> 00:47:39,158
But something about being born at the same moment as Hunter,

626
00:47:39,218 --> 00:47:42,618
but then also somehow Hunter is in 1992.

627
00:47:43,958 --> 00:47:47,698
Yes. And so somehow has traveled back to 1992.

628
00:47:48,798 --> 00:47:52,338
So I'm okay with the family there. They're a little bit bland.

629
00:47:52,498 --> 00:47:56,278
They're a little bit just there for the haunting to happen to.

630
00:47:57,078 --> 00:47:59,378
Yeah. Tapioca is definitely a flavor.

631
00:48:00,318 --> 00:48:03,238
Right. I guess. I do.

632
00:48:03,658 --> 00:48:11,898
I do think that this movie does what the third one does is that they work. It's a cohesive unit.

633
00:48:12,618 --> 00:48:16,978
And that they try to help one another out. Yes. Like it's the first movie...

634
00:48:18,049 --> 00:48:21,329
Because part four, the parents are a non-entity.

635
00:48:21,509 --> 00:48:26,349
Yeah. Like when we talked about that movie, I think we talked a bit how in the

636
00:48:26,349 --> 00:48:29,249
background of that movie, we're watching like a marriage dissolve.

637
00:48:29,469 --> 00:48:34,729
And the reason why a lot of the shit goes down is like mom and dad are so busy

638
00:48:34,729 --> 00:48:40,529
dealing with their own problems that they're not even aware that there's a haunting going on.

639
00:48:40,629 --> 00:48:43,929
And you're like you have left it to the kids to like deal with all of it.

640
00:48:43,929 --> 00:48:50,189
But now here you have like Ryan and Emily at least trying to make sense of what's

641
00:48:50,189 --> 00:48:55,009
going on, even though to your point, they're not really doing a great job of

642
00:48:55,009 --> 00:48:57,329
it. And they have some cute moments together.

643
00:48:57,429 --> 00:49:02,209
Like you have that really cute moment where Emily is like, why don't you kind

644
00:49:02,209 --> 00:49:07,009
of like put down that camera, come upstairs and get some sex? And he's like, what?

645
00:49:07,869 --> 00:49:11,749
That was cute. And then she like runs into the wall while she's trying to be

646
00:49:11,749 --> 00:49:13,289
sexy. That was very sweet.

647
00:49:13,929 --> 00:49:17,369
Yeah. Like moments like that, I really, really appreciate.

648
00:49:18,049 --> 00:49:25,029
This movie, kind of like the third one, it kind of has a trope in horror that I really don't like.

649
00:49:25,129 --> 00:49:30,169
And I think maybe as a parent, I really hate it in that you have like Leela,

650
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:36,609
who has like parents that really love her and care for her and don't seem to

651
00:49:36,609 --> 00:49:39,289
be outwardly doing anything too terrible.

652
00:49:39,289 --> 00:49:47,589
And she turns on them like this is Seth Rollins hitting Jon Moxley in the back

653
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:52,349
with I'm sorry hitting Roman Reigns in the back with the chair level.

654
00:49:53,527 --> 00:49:58,427
Of a heel turn like this is the breakup of the shield going on right now.

655
00:49:58,627 --> 00:50:05,527
That's true. But then we get Jon Moxley's solo career and and we love it.

656
00:50:06,207 --> 00:50:12,827
Kind of. But like, I don't know. But you're right. It is. It is a big it is a shocking heel turn.

657
00:50:12,967 --> 00:50:17,907
She like has no feeling or regard for her parents whatsoever.

658
00:50:18,247 --> 00:50:23,267
And it seems to come out of nowhere. Like there's no outward reason for it.

659
00:50:23,267 --> 00:50:29,787
There's nothing you know, explanation for it up to and including the end when

660
00:50:29,787 --> 00:50:37,027
she sees Toby snap her mother's neck and her reaction is to be like,

661
00:50:37,027 --> 00:50:39,447
and Toby's naked as well.

662
00:50:39,467 --> 00:50:41,727
That's the other thing I could think of. He's a grown naked man.

663
00:50:42,207 --> 00:50:45,827
Like she seems pretty comfortable with like Toby. Yeah.

664
00:50:45,947 --> 00:50:48,887
Kind of like swinging dong in front of her. Yes.

665
00:50:48,907 --> 00:50:53,527
You know, which I know I'm sure the actor is like covered. I'm sure he has shorts

666
00:50:53,527 --> 00:50:59,247
on, but, you know, yeah, in movie world, in movie world, Toby is like hanging

667
00:50:59,247 --> 00:51:01,567
brain and she's like totally OK with it.

668
00:51:02,227 --> 00:51:06,647
Didn't, you know, had to mention didn't have to mention it, but had to know we had to.

669
00:51:06,887 --> 00:51:12,527
So he snaps her, her mother's neck and she's like totally cool with that.

670
00:51:12,667 --> 00:51:18,007
I hate that trope. I really it's different from something like a movie like

671
00:51:18,007 --> 00:51:22,087
the children where the kids are possessed and they turn on their parents.

672
00:51:22,507 --> 00:51:26,947
This is just full on like i hate you mom and dad and i'm gonna go with this

673
00:51:26,947 --> 00:51:37,407
like and also she can see toby i guess like you know yeah he's ugly and like we can see toby at the end.

674
00:51:38,227 --> 00:51:44,047
But we could never see him before because he has a body now because something

675
00:51:44,047 --> 00:51:45,947
to do with hunter and leela.

676
00:51:47,234 --> 00:51:52,294
I just had to give one drop of blood. Yeah, I don't. You couldn't have given that at any point.

677
00:51:53,114 --> 00:51:56,434
Right. And why did your mom have to die for that to happen? Yeah,

678
00:51:56,494 --> 00:51:58,674
she just does fully turn on her family.

679
00:51:58,774 --> 00:52:01,774
Like, she doesn't seem scared at all. Mm-hmm.

680
00:52:02,434 --> 00:52:06,134
Yeah. It just makes, it's the same thing as, like, at the end of,

681
00:52:06,134 --> 00:52:11,634
like, part three of Paranormal Activity, where, like, Dennis has been so good

682
00:52:11,634 --> 00:52:15,714
to Katie and Christy throughout all of these movies.

683
00:52:16,614 --> 00:52:22,474
Out of that whole movie. And then they seemed like not care even a lick that

684
00:52:22,474 --> 00:52:24,394
like he's been bent in half.

685
00:52:25,134 --> 00:52:28,734
Like, okay, whatever. And then they go on like, I kind of hate that.

686
00:52:28,974 --> 00:52:35,474
Yeah. It does answer, this movie does answer the question what happened to their mother.

687
00:52:35,554 --> 00:52:40,194
I guess she did get killed because they say in the videotapes,

688
00:52:40,194 --> 00:52:41,474
oh, she's never seen again.

689
00:52:41,814 --> 00:52:46,634
And they just start calling this other person mom. Mm hmm. Yeah.

690
00:52:48,154 --> 00:52:55,054
I just me trying to like piece this all together feels like the the Julia Roberts

691
00:52:55,054 --> 00:52:58,854
with all the math flying around her head meme. That's how I feel.

692
00:52:59,554 --> 00:53:05,314
It's it's not good like it tries to answer questions it just doesn't really

693
00:53:05,314 --> 00:53:11,294
yeah it doesn't maybe answer them i don't know how do you would you rather a movie,

694
00:53:12,194 --> 00:53:19,594
throw out a bunch of questions and never attempt to answer them or answer the

695
00:53:19,594 --> 00:53:21,354
questions but do so poorly?

696
00:53:21,574 --> 00:53:23,534
Ooh, that's a good question.

697
00:53:24,494 --> 00:53:32,774
I think probably the first one because no answer is less unsatisfying than an

698
00:53:32,774 --> 00:53:34,214
unsatisfying answer to me.

699
00:53:34,554 --> 00:53:37,654
But it also probably depends on how much fun I'm having.

700
00:53:37,954 --> 00:53:42,834
Like if a movie is just full on ridiculous and I'm having a great time with

701
00:53:42,834 --> 00:53:44,654
it, then I'm like, sure, give me garbage.

702
00:53:44,894 --> 00:53:47,854
But, you know, if it's something, a story I'm really

703
00:53:47,854 --> 00:53:51,374
invested in i'd rather have open-ended questions

704
00:53:51,374 --> 00:53:54,994
than like half-assed responses

705
00:53:54,994 --> 00:54:01,814
i think that makes sense i don't necessarily always need answers to questions

706
00:54:01,814 --> 00:54:09,214
but i think that when you set up a series like this it feels like oh we'll get

707
00:54:09,214 --> 00:54:12,594
to it at some point don't worry about it but they don't.

708
00:54:28,794 --> 00:54:28,914
But then they don't.

709
00:54:29,707 --> 00:54:33,327
With parts, like, two and three, and then after that with, like,

710
00:54:33,327 --> 00:54:34,547
part of the second trilogy.

711
00:54:34,907 --> 00:54:37,487
Mm-hmm. You know, like, they might not have known what they were going to do

712
00:54:37,487 --> 00:54:43,067
from parts two through seven, but they would have, like, half the series mapped out at a time.

713
00:54:43,627 --> 00:54:46,687
Yeah. And they could make it all work. Mm-hmm. With this series,

714
00:54:46,867 --> 00:54:51,887
it doesn't ever feel like they know what they're going to do from one movie

715
00:54:51,887 --> 00:54:55,467
to the next. Yeah, it's not cohesive, necessarily.

716
00:54:56,407 --> 00:54:59,267
And then you just get, like, weird things that are entered in.

717
00:54:59,707 --> 00:55:03,227
Speaking of weird things, what are some of the things you think works?

718
00:55:03,387 --> 00:55:05,627
We do like some things about this movie.

719
00:55:05,807 --> 00:55:08,547
What were some of the creepy sequences that worked?

720
00:55:08,927 --> 00:55:16,327
I actually really do like the idea of the old tapes interacting with the present

721
00:55:16,327 --> 00:55:18,747
time. Same. That's really scary.

722
00:55:19,387 --> 00:55:26,387
And like when Leela sneezes and Christy says, bless you.

723
00:55:26,667 --> 00:55:29,567
That's creepy. Yeah, it's creepy. Creepy. It gives me a chill.

724
00:55:29,747 --> 00:55:35,147
I really do like stories that do weird, not quite time travel,

725
00:55:35,287 --> 00:55:41,067
but like, I don't know what it is, but like timey-wimey elements where they're

726
00:55:41,067 --> 00:55:43,927
playing with our sense of time and what's reality.

727
00:55:44,427 --> 00:55:48,287
I really do like that. Yeah, I think that worked.

728
00:55:48,447 --> 00:55:54,787
I think the stuff with I think it is kind of convenient that the tapes end in

729
00:55:54,787 --> 00:56:01,707
1992, which is just at the right age for Katie and Christy, the actresses that they have there.

730
00:56:01,707 --> 00:56:05,487
Like, oh, like at the age they're at, like we weren't going to hire two other

731
00:56:05,487 --> 00:56:07,887
young girls to play them when they're a little bit older.

732
00:56:08,407 --> 00:56:10,107
Certainly weren't going to do that.

733
00:56:10,907 --> 00:56:16,667
But I think that what you get there is pretty fascinating. I think it's Christy

734
00:56:16,667 --> 00:56:19,227
that they like, they really ignore Katie.

735
00:56:19,467 --> 00:56:23,687
I think you see how this is really like Christy's kind of story to tell.

736
00:56:24,347 --> 00:56:29,767
It is creepy when their reactions to when they're like, I think they're looking

737
00:56:29,767 --> 00:56:33,727
at our house right now. And this is really weird and fucked up.

738
00:56:34,938 --> 00:56:38,578
I thought that was one of the better bits of the movie. I wish there was more of that.

739
00:56:38,638 --> 00:56:43,818
And I wish they had that tie in in more ways as well.

740
00:56:43,878 --> 00:56:47,818
But when they were having that play out in real time, like that was super creepy.

741
00:56:47,978 --> 00:56:52,118
I would have loved to have seen how that would have played out with a crowd.

742
00:56:52,658 --> 00:56:57,038
Yeah, that would be cool. To hear an audience discover that in real time.

743
00:56:57,158 --> 00:56:59,318
I think that could have been pretty neat. Yes.

744
00:56:59,878 --> 00:57:04,318
Yeah. I'm trying to think of other movies that do stuff. I know that there are,

745
00:57:04,378 --> 00:57:06,778
and I'm just not thinking of them, and I'll think of 10 later.

746
00:57:07,098 --> 00:57:10,198
But there are other movies that have done a similar thing where they play with

747
00:57:10,198 --> 00:57:13,258
your sense of reality and time.

748
00:57:14,578 --> 00:57:19,718
There's like the Stephen King books like Dolores Claiborne and Matter Rose,

749
00:57:19,998 --> 00:57:25,718
where they have, I think they have like the sequences where they can see each

750
00:57:25,718 --> 00:57:29,198
other at the other end of like the well. During the eclipse.

751
00:57:29,898 --> 00:57:33,018
Yeah, and they're kind of like tied into one another. I don't know if the movies

752
00:57:33,018 --> 00:57:36,118
do that. I don't know either. But I know the books do. Mm-hmm.

753
00:57:36,758 --> 00:57:40,478
I know. So from a literary perspective, I know that's happened.

754
00:57:41,198 --> 00:57:47,358
I thought like another really good sequence was when Leela was reciting Bloody Mary backwards.

755
00:57:48,178 --> 00:57:53,038
Like having that mirror image and doing that backwards. I thought that was pretty creepy.

756
00:57:53,278 --> 00:57:59,738
Yes. And then behind the mirror, like having like that ghostly hand pull back at the end.

757
00:57:59,878 --> 00:58:03,558
Mm-hmm. Then it just goes a step too far with it shattering.

758
00:58:03,678 --> 00:58:09,438
But before that, like that is like walking in and a little kid do that. Like that's creepy.

759
00:58:09,918 --> 00:58:13,678
Yes. Yeah. I wouldn't want to walk in on that in my bathroom.

760
00:58:15,178 --> 00:58:20,278
No, absolutely not. That would be a good gag to play in your partner.

761
00:58:20,658 --> 00:58:22,818
Just like do that out of nowhere.

762
00:58:24,058 --> 00:58:27,898
Or grounds for divorce. One or the other. Possibly.

763
00:58:28,852 --> 00:58:32,992
I did think that like the whole idea of like gentle parenting,

764
00:58:33,132 --> 00:58:38,352
like that concept of like gentle parenting, it does go a little bit too far

765
00:58:38,352 --> 00:58:40,392
when there are no repercussions.

766
00:58:40,392 --> 00:58:46,172
When Leela sneaks out of her room in the middle of the night and tries to maybe

767
00:58:46,172 --> 00:58:52,612
burn the house down by like lighting her mother's Bible on fire in the fireplace.

768
00:58:53,072 --> 00:58:56,692
And there's like seemingly no repercussions for that whatsoever.

769
00:58:56,692 --> 00:59:04,572
So ever i did yes i am thinking about how like and so i'm not a parent and so

770
00:59:04,572 --> 00:59:10,332
i'm like oh maybe it would be really hard to parent when you're really scared

771
00:59:10,332 --> 00:59:13,312
of your kid but yeah they definitely,

772
00:59:14,192 --> 00:59:20,452
stop trying to parent her and deliver consequences and also this little girl

773
00:59:20,452 --> 00:59:21,912
doesn't ever play with She only hangs out with a friend.

774
00:59:22,452 --> 00:59:29,232
Nope. She only ever hangs out with adults. And I understand it's like holiday time and family time.

775
00:59:29,432 --> 00:59:34,812
But I just, I feel like kids that age that I know have so many activities and

776
00:59:34,812 --> 00:59:36,992
play dates and things. Does she go to school?

777
00:59:37,732 --> 00:59:43,052
No. Well. She's six. So she's school age. Are they on winter break?

778
00:59:43,772 --> 00:59:47,392
They wouldn't be on winter break that early in December. Okay.

779
00:59:47,952 --> 00:59:54,032
Yeah. They don't mention school, I don't think. I wonder if they're like those homeschoolers.

780
00:59:56,616 --> 01:00:01,016
We're going to, they're like super Bible-y. They're calling all these churches.

781
01:00:01,776 --> 01:00:07,016
They could be that type. Yeah, she has a deep bench of priests she can call at a moment.

782
01:00:07,236 --> 01:00:10,776
She does. I was like, I wouldn't know where to begin if I needed to call a priest.

783
01:00:11,496 --> 01:00:16,676
Yeah, nope. She had them on Rolodex. She had them right on speed dial.

784
01:00:16,876 --> 01:00:21,496
And the priest right away is like, oh, yeah, your house, it's demons.

785
01:00:21,496 --> 01:00:24,636
Demons comes in right away like oh yeah totally

786
01:00:24,636 --> 01:00:29,156
totally demons like no thought

787
01:00:29,156 --> 01:00:31,876
to like hey your child might be you might

788
01:00:31,876 --> 01:00:34,616
want to go to a doctor right you might want to

789
01:00:34,616 --> 01:00:37,776
talk to somebody has there been you know no

790
01:00:37,776 --> 01:00:41,276
sort of evaluation done just walks right in demons

791
01:00:41,276 --> 01:00:44,496
oh demons right away your child is

792
01:00:44,496 --> 01:00:47,696
fooling with the devil as we like

793
01:00:47,696 --> 01:00:50,636
to call it next time i'm asked to solve a problem

794
01:00:50,636 --> 01:00:54,216
at work i'm just gonna say demons and walk away yeah that's

795
01:00:54,216 --> 01:00:57,156
it like i think you know you've been congregating with satan again

796
01:00:57,156 --> 01:01:00,256
so old school priest right

797
01:01:00,256 --> 01:01:07,496
there like not messing about no and again like never an attempt through all

798
01:01:07,496 --> 01:01:12,476
of this like when she starts banging on the table when she's up in the middle

799
01:01:12,476 --> 01:01:17,256
of the night playing the flute yeah just things like Like,

800
01:01:17,256 --> 01:01:20,936
I want you to leave your room right now. No, I'm fine.

801
01:01:21,156 --> 01:01:25,576
And she won't listen to her mom. Like, never an attempt to bring her in to talk

802
01:01:25,576 --> 01:01:29,876
to somebody and say, like, here's all the stuff going down right now.

803
01:01:30,696 --> 01:01:34,616
Don't love that. No, they just film it. Yeah, just, you know.

804
01:01:34,916 --> 01:01:37,916
Which is why I think this would have worked if it was, like.

805
01:01:38,756 --> 01:01:41,976
And maybe it's a little bit too early for, like, influencers.

806
01:01:42,276 --> 01:01:46,496
But I do think that, like, mummy bloggers, like, that was a thing.

807
01:01:47,056 --> 01:01:52,496
Yeah. Oh, yeah. And like, hey, we're going for like some sort of like reality show fame.

808
01:01:52,916 --> 01:01:57,196
Like you easily could have done something like that. And I think that would have worked.

809
01:01:57,856 --> 01:02:01,016
Yeah. When did Katie get a real estate license?

810
01:02:01,476 --> 01:02:06,916
When did she have the time? She was a full time student doing a side hustle making bead jewelry.

811
01:02:07,696 --> 01:02:09,536
Yeah. No, I had the same question.

812
01:02:10,416 --> 01:02:20,536
And also, how did she. So she gave them a business card. that had the legit

813
01:02:20,536 --> 01:02:23,756
number of the real estate company on it.

814
01:02:23,916 --> 01:02:27,856
So when they called it, they called the real estate company,

815
01:02:27,996 --> 01:02:31,816
but Katie answered, yet they never heard of her before.

816
01:02:32,956 --> 01:02:38,576
So did she like- You can spoof numbers, right? That's a scam you can do.

817
01:02:38,656 --> 01:02:40,836
I don't know how to do any of that.

818
01:02:41,196 --> 01:02:45,156
That seems like a lot of work. A lot of work to do that.

819
01:02:45,236 --> 01:02:53,756
Yeah. like it just doesn't make a lick of sense no it really doesn't heard of this person whatsoever.

820
01:02:55,914 --> 01:03:00,534
And it's a lot of work to put a person in a home for reasons that we don't understand.

821
01:03:01,354 --> 01:03:08,014
Like, aside from the birth date, we have no idea why Leela is special whatsoever. Yeah, yeah.

822
01:03:08,974 --> 01:03:10,294
It is a lot of work.

823
01:03:11,594 --> 01:03:16,594
Like, I think about buying a house, how many things I had to sign and how many

824
01:03:16,594 --> 01:03:19,134
rooms I had to sit in with my real estate agent.

825
01:03:19,334 --> 01:03:24,814
How did Katie get through all that? I mean, the title company would have to know.

826
01:03:24,814 --> 01:03:27,594
Yeah it's okay i don't have to i

827
01:03:27,594 --> 01:03:31,194
want to hear i want to see a deleted scene where like

828
01:03:31,194 --> 01:03:40,594
katie is walking them through like pmi yeah and yeah yeah yeah that would have

829
01:03:40,594 --> 01:03:47,214
been on there like you will see the document signed oh my goodness you will

830
01:03:47,214 --> 01:03:50,034
see their credit scores get checked in real time.

831
01:03:51,534 --> 01:03:57,014
So all that goes down. How did you feel like we get this reveal that there's

832
01:03:57,014 --> 01:04:00,714
this dude who's kind of pulling the strings for all the midwives?

833
01:04:01,154 --> 01:04:04,214
So I wanted to ask you because I thought you might have some mistakes.

834
01:04:04,314 --> 01:04:10,094
How did you feel about, you know, the first movie, it's just like Toby is this

835
01:04:10,094 --> 01:04:11,774
demon. He wants to possess Katie.

836
01:04:12,334 --> 01:04:16,874
Easy peasy, pretty simple to understand. No big backstory. Right.

837
01:04:17,654 --> 01:04:22,114
By the third movie, we're introducing, okay, well, it's actually like a bunch

838
01:04:22,114 --> 01:04:25,774
of witches, and we're going to go with that for the next three movies.

839
01:04:25,874 --> 01:04:27,614
And we're going to build on that mythology.

840
01:04:28,094 --> 01:04:35,534
It's this coven of witches that are basically in cahoots with demons to offer

841
01:04:35,534 --> 01:04:39,654
up their offspring and offer them demons,

842
01:04:39,754 --> 01:04:45,194
their bodies, in exchange for power and money and such.

843
01:04:45,814 --> 01:04:50,074
I'm like, okay, well, that seems like pretty fucked up, but whatever.

844
01:04:50,254 --> 01:04:54,294
It's like, bitches be shopping, you know, like, whatever.

845
01:04:55,174 --> 01:04:59,494
And now you find out it's this, like, ponytail dude who's pulling the strings

846
01:04:59,494 --> 01:05:00,994
for these ladies as well.

847
01:05:01,274 --> 01:05:05,674
Does that kind of lessen the impact? It's like, oh, just another evil white

848
01:05:05,674 --> 01:05:09,354
dude at the end of the day, pull back the curtain far enough,

849
01:05:09,614 --> 01:05:12,994
and there's an evil white guy just pulling the strings.

850
01:05:12,994 --> 01:05:17,994
Every successful coven of witches is a man with a ponytail. I've always said this.

851
01:05:18,854 --> 01:05:23,694
It might lessen it if I sort of still cared at this point.

852
01:05:23,854 --> 01:05:28,974
You know, at this point, I'm so like, what are we doing? Like,

853
01:05:28,974 --> 01:05:33,914
everything is so thin with the coven that I'm kind of like, I did have a question

854
01:05:33,914 --> 01:05:38,734
of like, who is this Jamal and what is he doing here? And why are we suddenly introducing him?

855
01:05:39,654 --> 01:05:42,014
But I also was kind of like, eh. Eh.

856
01:05:43,034 --> 01:05:47,614
Whatever. Yeah. Which is not usually how I feel about movies.

857
01:05:48,314 --> 01:05:53,454
Right. As you know. I think at this point you just feel beaten down. A little bit, yeah.

858
01:05:53,754 --> 01:05:58,554
I think maybe, like I said, worn down at the beginning of this episode.

859
01:05:58,754 --> 01:06:01,874
And that's how I kind of feel by the end of this movie.

860
01:06:02,154 --> 01:06:04,354
Yeah. Let's talk about the end of this movie.

861
01:06:04,954 --> 01:06:09,714
It turns into a 3D action horror. What do you think?

862
01:06:10,774 --> 01:06:17,994
It feel it doesn't feel so every paranormal activity movie ends with a bunch of,

863
01:06:19,554 --> 01:06:22,974
activity but like running screaming dropping

864
01:06:22,974 --> 01:06:25,974
the camera like things coming to

865
01:06:25,974 --> 01:06:29,174
a head we're used to seeing that but this time

866
01:06:29,174 --> 01:06:32,654
it's got a lot more like you see the ghosty ghost

867
01:06:32,654 --> 01:06:35,714
you see the demon in they go through

868
01:06:35,714 --> 01:06:38,714
a portal thing and it

869
01:06:38,714 --> 01:06:41,614
just feels like we've come so

870
01:06:41,614 --> 01:06:47,294
far from a young couple in a home trying to solve a problem you know like we've

871
01:06:47,294 --> 01:06:52,974
come so far from that so I think on its own it's kind of fun like the end of

872
01:06:52,974 --> 01:06:56,154
this movie can be kind of fun action horror if you just want to have a good

873
01:06:56,154 --> 01:07:01,554
time with it but I'm also like are we even still in a paranormal activity movie Yeah.

874
01:07:01,694 --> 01:07:07,134
It doesn't feel like it. It feels like every other kind of generic,

875
01:07:07,374 --> 01:07:12,174
low-budget horror movie that we've ever seen. Yes.

876
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:19,300
You have like Mike and Ryan kind of playing hide and go seek.

877
01:07:19,460 --> 01:07:22,280
Like they're literally trying to hide from Toby. Yes.

878
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:28,260
Who is a demonic entity that can be anywhere at any point in time.

879
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:30,060
And they're like, I'll just crouch over here.

880
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:37,140
Yeah. And they're hiding from him like it's like Jason Voorhees or a velociraptor in Jurassic Park.

881
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,800
Yeah. Which doesn't really make any sense whatsoever. Yeah.

882
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:46,480
And like you said before, like if this would be like if any of the movies you

883
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,860
were to be like, oh, we should just leave the house and get as far away from

884
01:07:50,860 --> 01:07:52,100
here as humanly possible.

885
01:07:52,420 --> 01:07:56,580
This is the one because like this is the one where like they're getting called

886
01:07:56,580 --> 01:07:58,000
to this specific location.

887
01:07:58,220 --> 01:08:02,640
This is where they need to be in order for all this to go down.

888
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,680
If they were to just in even if even if that wasn't the case,

889
01:08:06,740 --> 01:08:10,620
like they have no idea about the like, well, it's a demon and it will come after

890
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:12,080
you and you can't get away from.

891
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:16,000
Right. No, like leave the fucking house. Right. Just get the hell out.

892
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:21,920
And then when they try to leave and they go to a hotel and they like loose track

893
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,980
of their daughter five minutes after they get there and you get the just get

894
01:08:27,980 --> 01:08:29,180
again like a generic exorcism.

895
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,720
Yeah. Or cleansing. Yes. as some call it.

896
01:08:33,922 --> 01:08:40,702
One note, make your exorcism circles larger. But that's a tiny circle for five people.

897
01:08:41,242 --> 01:08:45,442
That's true. You got to give yourself some space. Yeah. You know,

898
01:08:45,462 --> 01:08:48,182
it's a big living room. You have more than enough room. Mm-hmm.

899
01:08:49,462 --> 01:08:54,582
So you just get, like, this really generic ending where, like,

900
01:08:54,602 --> 01:08:59,482
the dad is kind of, you know, you have, like, the exorcism goes down.

901
01:08:59,882 --> 01:09:05,962
They throw a bed sheet over it. Mm-hmm. It seems just really weird.

902
01:09:06,402 --> 01:09:06,882
Yeah.

903
01:09:07,722 --> 01:09:12,622
Like, how do we get rid of this demon that's haunted us for six movies?

904
01:09:12,802 --> 01:09:18,022
It's this all-powerful killer entity. Like, throw a bed sheet on it that's been

905
01:09:18,022 --> 01:09:19,502
soaked in some holy water.

906
01:09:19,662 --> 01:09:24,242
Like, that's all you needed to do? Like, you're putting a bird to bed in a birdcage.

907
01:09:25,602 --> 01:09:28,582
And of course it goes wrong. Of course it doesn't work.

908
01:09:29,102 --> 01:09:35,922
And they get some like demon vomit and skylar and mike are no more yeah and

909
01:09:35,922 --> 01:09:43,422
i guess that's or something yeah as one does yeah get that checked out and then

910
01:09:43,422 --> 01:09:45,302
like chris gets like a bad cgi.

911
01:09:45,822 --> 01:09:48,802
Arm through the chest and then you

912
01:09:48,802 --> 01:09:52,922
have a portal that takes you back again to 1992 into

913
01:09:52,922 --> 01:09:56,002
the katie and christie's home

914
01:09:56,002 --> 01:09:59,122
and again cool idea

915
01:09:59,122 --> 01:10:04,682
but or cool visual but like why are we doing this like yeah i don't understand

916
01:10:04,682 --> 01:10:09,662
why we're going this route it's not explained why it has to be back in this

917
01:10:09,662 --> 01:10:16,222
year it doesn't make any sense why was hunter brought back to 1992 why is there a

918
01:10:16,242 --> 01:10:19,242
second kid yeah you know why were

919
01:10:19,242 --> 01:10:22,102
these two so important and the whole thing was like oh

920
01:10:22,102 --> 01:10:24,942
it has to be the first born male that was

921
01:10:24,942 --> 01:10:30,602
the thing that was for the first four movies you know unless you're gonna have

922
01:10:30,602 --> 01:10:35,282
like i i don't understand like why that was such a big deal that gets completely

923
01:10:35,282 --> 01:10:39,982
disregarded here oh we're just gonna have this other young girl too yeah we

924
01:10:39,982 --> 01:10:42,122
need her as well It just doesn't make any sense.

925
01:10:42,342 --> 01:10:47,462
It doesn't. It doesn't. And then we get the mom's neck snapped classic.

926
01:10:47,782 --> 01:10:51,382
Toby loves to snap a neck. Actually, Katie loves to snap a neck.

927
01:10:51,442 --> 01:10:55,422
But are they the same? I don't know. I think that's Toby and Katie's body.

928
01:10:55,882 --> 01:11:01,942
Yeah. Loves a good neck snap. And then he hangs dong and then he walks away with Leela.

929
01:11:02,582 --> 01:11:10,942
So if Toby is back in 1992 and he gets a human body in 1992 And he's a human.

930
01:11:12,398 --> 01:11:20,498
Wouldn't that mean that none of the events in the Paranormal Activity movies actually happen?

931
01:11:20,598 --> 01:11:27,698
Because why would they need to happen if he already is corporeal and has a human body?

932
01:11:27,878 --> 01:11:30,978
Oh, my God. Wouldn't it negate the whole series?

933
01:11:31,178 --> 01:11:34,478
My brain just broke in half. It just cracked in half.

934
01:11:34,838 --> 01:11:41,658
This is some Bill and Ted's excellent adventure time travel mind fuckery.

935
01:11:42,398 --> 01:11:47,358
You forgot to wind your watch. Yeah. Which is why it just makes no sense to

936
01:11:47,358 --> 01:11:52,398
have them travel back to a time that's like years before. And now Leela's back in 92 as well?

937
01:11:52,678 --> 01:11:54,818
Mm-hmm. What's she going to do?

938
01:11:55,638 --> 01:12:00,358
Probably play like Super NES and some Sega Genesis. I mean, that's kind of fun,

939
01:12:00,358 --> 01:12:02,458
I guess. Cartoons are better. Yeah.

940
01:12:03,458 --> 01:12:07,018
Early 90s are awesome. Yes, that's true.

941
01:12:07,118 --> 01:12:10,738
You had like REM's Automatic for the People was out.

942
01:12:10,738 --> 01:12:13,818
About this was the birth of grunge i made

943
01:12:13,818 --> 01:12:17,278
my wife watch singles the other night like the because i

944
01:12:17,278 --> 01:12:20,058
needed like a comfort movie and my wife

945
01:12:20,058 --> 01:12:22,878
is from the uk and kind of missed the

946
01:12:22,878 --> 01:12:25,718
whole grunge movement and i just kind of

947
01:12:25,718 --> 01:12:28,618
like walked her through all of it and she

948
01:12:28,618 --> 01:12:31,518
didn't get it and she

949
01:12:31,518 --> 01:12:34,438
was like how are all these people just living

950
01:12:34,438 --> 01:12:38,478
in one bedroom apartments in seattle and they all work in coffee shops and I'm

951
01:12:38,478 --> 01:12:43,698
like it was the 90s you could do that it was the magical dream of the 90s yeah

952
01:12:43,698 --> 01:12:49,498
but the early 90s are incredible Pearl Jam's 10 would have been a hip hop was

953
01:12:49,498 --> 01:12:52,378
excellent there was some great hip hop yeah.

954
01:12:53,574 --> 01:12:58,214
Fugazi was releasing some killer records. I mean, we were just around the corner

955
01:12:58,214 --> 01:13:00,734
from, like, the punk rock revival.

956
01:13:01,594 --> 01:13:05,694
Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls. She could have been watching,

957
01:13:05,754 --> 01:13:08,154
like, the 90s Bulls. You're right. Oh, my God.

958
01:13:08,374 --> 01:13:11,294
Lucky her. Lila was in for a treat. Yeah.

959
01:13:11,694 --> 01:13:15,754
I would have much rather been Lila's age in the 90s.

960
01:13:15,754 --> 01:13:21,314
Like, would you rather be a six-year-old in the 90s or a six-year-old in 2016

961
01:13:21,314 --> 01:13:27,114
right when Trump is about to get elected and all this bullshit we have?

962
01:13:27,394 --> 01:13:29,834
No, I'd take being a six-year-old in the 90s.

963
01:13:30,294 --> 01:13:34,094
Which I was a six-year-old in the 90s. There you go.

964
01:13:35,274 --> 01:13:40,654
So. Okay. So now all the previous movies didn't happen.

965
01:13:40,774 --> 01:13:48,254
Are negated. And now I just go rely on the fetal position and contemplate that for a while.

966
01:13:48,674 --> 01:13:51,594
Right. Because there's still like the unanswered question.

967
01:13:52,014 --> 01:13:58,554
Like at some point, like Katie and Christy kind of forget everything that happened. Yes, they do.

968
01:13:58,874 --> 01:14:03,334
Right. They're kind of like brush it off as like, oh, this little thing that happened.

969
01:14:03,634 --> 01:14:09,494
They accept some other random woman as their mother and I guess completely forget

970
01:14:09,494 --> 01:14:13,034
their own mom. Um, yeah, it's just weird.

971
01:14:13,394 --> 01:14:17,834
It's just completely odd. So I made a note.

972
01:14:19,041 --> 01:14:23,381
So I couldn't wrap my head around that. And listeners, if someone can explain

973
01:14:23,381 --> 01:14:25,541
it to us, please let me. Yes, please.

974
01:14:25,861 --> 01:14:28,921
I would love someone to explain this to me. Even if someone says,

975
01:14:29,101 --> 01:14:33,221
well, Toby's going to walk back through the portal and then it's present day

976
01:14:33,221 --> 01:14:35,681
again. But he got his body in 1992.

977
01:14:37,081 --> 01:14:41,561
Someone out there must have a red string board to help me understand.

978
01:14:41,981 --> 01:14:45,221
And I need that. We need that person. Yes.

979
01:14:45,761 --> 01:14:52,901
Okay. So a lot of the paranormal activities, like the first one famously has

980
01:14:52,901 --> 01:14:54,221
a bunch of different endings.

981
01:14:54,681 --> 01:15:00,341
There's a one where Katie slits her throat. There's the ones where she gets gunned down by the cops.

982
01:15:01,041 --> 01:15:06,541
And then there's the one we get theatrically where she like has a demon face and lunges the camera.

983
01:15:06,721 --> 01:15:11,241
And I think like overall, that's the weakest of the three endings.

984
01:15:11,241 --> 01:15:15,061
Endings the fourth marked

985
01:15:15,061 --> 01:15:18,101
ones has a different and different

986
01:15:18,101 --> 01:15:20,801
endings where like the boys are in

987
01:15:20,801 --> 01:15:23,441
a church like the exorcism works they end up in

988
01:15:23,441 --> 01:15:26,481
a church and like they see it lit on fire

989
01:15:26,481 --> 01:15:29,661
from somewhere else this one also had

990
01:15:29,661 --> 01:15:33,061
a different ending and it was filmed and

991
01:15:33,061 --> 01:15:35,861
it was far superior okay it

992
01:15:35,861 --> 01:15:38,621
was way more ambiguous it would have been kind of like a

993
01:15:38,621 --> 01:15:42,281
really ballsy an ambiguous note to

994
01:15:42,281 --> 01:15:45,741
end the series on like it would have been like a really courageous

995
01:15:45,741 --> 01:15:49,381
move so in this one the exorcism

996
01:15:49,381 --> 01:15:52,381
works and it cuts at the moment where

997
01:15:52,381 --> 01:15:55,121
it says did it work and they pick up lila and they run

998
01:15:55,121 --> 01:16:01,701
out the door mike is alive skylar's alive and it cuts to four months later and

999
01:16:01,701 --> 01:16:07,701
the family is moving into their new home which is uncle mike points out it's

1000
01:16:07,701 --> 01:16:12,821
a bungalow that's a five bedroom for three people and as they're moving,

1001
01:16:13,481 --> 01:16:17,841
and as they're still filming for some reason I think they would have learned

1002
01:16:17,841 --> 01:16:19,061
their fucking lesson yeah.

1003
01:16:20,158 --> 01:16:26,378
Chris lifts up like a box and it falls apart and a videotape falls out of it

1004
01:16:26,378 --> 01:16:29,198
and they freak out like, holy shit, what's this tape?

1005
01:16:29,378 --> 01:16:34,038
They pick it up and it's marked K and K and L bedroom.

1006
01:16:34,598 --> 01:16:39,058
And they look at that. They're like, fuck this noise. And they smash it to pieces.

1007
01:16:39,218 --> 01:16:42,298
They're like, nope, no more tapes. Fucking done with this.

1008
01:16:42,878 --> 01:16:46,778
And then Lila yells, look, mommy, I'm with my new friends. And they look over

1009
01:16:46,778 --> 01:16:50,358
and they're with she's with Katie and Christy. Oh, God.

1010
01:17:19,858 --> 01:17:23,678
I wish for a baby brother. And you're like, oh, that's really sweet.

1011
01:17:23,858 --> 01:17:26,458
And the mom is like, oh, we don't know what we're going to have.

1012
01:17:26,598 --> 01:17:29,278
Like, looks like an awesome backyard barbecue.

1013
01:17:29,978 --> 01:17:34,738
And another guy enters the frame and it's the head of the coven.

1014
01:17:34,918 --> 01:17:39,238
And he picks up Leela and he's like, oh, you're a big girl. How great.

1015
01:17:39,378 --> 01:17:42,498
And everyone's like, happy birthday. And then it ends.

1016
01:17:43,118 --> 01:17:48,738
That is awesome. Yeah. And you're like, did they, like, what the fuck's going

1017
01:17:48,738 --> 01:17:51,758
on here? Are they part of the coven?

1018
01:17:51,918 --> 01:17:55,578
Did they get recruited into it? Like, were they just like, hey,

1019
01:17:55,818 --> 01:17:58,898
we're going to accept you in. Like, it's totally cool.

1020
01:17:59,338 --> 01:18:05,118
You won't be. Or are they just brainwashed? Yeah. Or is the coven working their way in?

1021
01:18:05,398 --> 01:18:08,618
Yeah. Yeah. That would have been exciting. Yeah.

1022
01:18:09,078 --> 01:18:15,358
Yeah. So much better than, like, generic. Next nap, walk away.

1023
01:18:16,158 --> 01:18:21,258
Let the body sit the floor. Yeah. You know, it just like, it's.

1024
01:18:22,445 --> 01:18:30,345
Again, it would have led to more questions, but the best kind of questions.

1025
01:18:30,545 --> 01:18:33,285
Yeah, those are fun open-ended questions.

1026
01:18:33,705 --> 01:18:38,305
Yes. Mind-blown. I don't even need a sequel to that one.

1027
01:18:38,405 --> 01:18:42,725
That is the kind of thing that it's more fun to imagine what went on.

1028
01:18:42,725 --> 01:18:50,965
And I just feel like every time this series could have done something exciting

1029
01:18:50,965 --> 01:18:55,205
and fresh and challenging,

1030
01:18:55,625 --> 01:18:59,285
they took a step back. Yeah.

1031
01:18:59,305 --> 01:19:03,165
And were like, how many millions will this cost us? Yeah.

1032
01:19:03,405 --> 01:19:07,705
It almost feels like Jason Blum going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1033
01:19:08,265 --> 01:19:11,685
Yeah. Wait a minute here. Looking at his pile of money. Yeah.

1034
01:19:12,125 --> 01:19:18,485
If we do this, you know, like how many budgets of Happy Death Day will this cost us? Yeah.

1035
01:19:18,985 --> 01:19:20,965
Looking over at Christopher Landon.

1036
01:19:21,985 --> 01:19:28,705
We'll definitely talk about Blum in his relationship with this series in the next.

1037
01:19:28,905 --> 01:19:34,105
Yes. Because when next of kin comes out, he has like nothing good to say about

1038
01:19:34,105 --> 01:19:39,805
it and really not a lot good to say about like the series as a whole at this point.

1039
01:19:39,805 --> 01:19:42,725
And i do think a large part of it is because

1040
01:19:42,725 --> 01:19:45,485
nex of kin was like straight to

1041
01:19:45,485 --> 01:19:48,405
video yeah and it's like i'm not getting

1042
01:19:48,405 --> 01:19:51,685
a huge cut out of this like what's the point if that's

1043
01:19:51,685 --> 01:19:56,625
i just think that's how he operates yep he's a producer yeah he's a producer

1044
01:19:56,625 --> 01:20:01,765
and if like if it's it's his mo which hey like that's how he makes his money

1045
01:20:01,765 --> 01:20:06,945
like i can't blame him and i like a lot of blumhouse house movies so not recently

1046
01:20:06,945 --> 01:20:11,405
well yeah that's true but we should definitely,

1047
01:20:12,165 --> 01:20:15,745
we'll tease it right now because we're we're we'll tease it.

1048
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:23,320
It feels like I could, I for a long time couldn't understand the vitriol that

1049
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:27,780
Blumhouse gets because they would put out movies like the first three paranormal

1050
01:20:27,780 --> 01:20:29,120
activities I really like.

1051
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:35,680
And they would do The Purge and they would do Sinister and they would do Insidious.

1052
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,760
And then, yeah, they would do like Get Out and then they would do things like

1053
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,720
The Gift, which is really good.

1054
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,660
They would have like far more good than bad.

1055
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:52,360
But it feels like the past couple years, and they did like the Halloween reboot and the first one.

1056
01:20:52,540 --> 01:20:56,440
I like the first one. You know. And I like Halloween Kills because it's just a fun mess.

1057
01:20:56,860 --> 01:21:01,400
Yeah. Yeah. And Halloween Ends is a lot of fun to talk about.

1058
01:21:02,180 --> 01:21:06,000
That's true. It's a lot of fun to talk about that. I don't like that movie per

1059
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,560
se, but I love talking about that movie.

1060
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:13,460
And I love the conversations about that movie. But it feels like somewhere in

1061
01:21:13,460 --> 01:21:18,400
the past few years, it's become things like, let's do Fantasy Island because

1062
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:19,960
that's an IP that people know.

1063
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:26,080
Let's do Five Nights at Freddy's because that's an IP that people know.

1064
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:34,200
And the movies that he's doing, like Night Swim, Imaginary, he's gearing things

1065
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,780
towards a way different crowd.

1066
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:45,620
Yeah, definitely. And it feels like he's moving away from what Blumhouse in

1067
01:21:45,620 --> 01:21:47,900
particular is just moving away from what worked.

1068
01:21:47,940 --> 01:21:51,680
And now there's like the news that broke last week.

1069
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:58,820
This should appeal, you know, they're going to retool or kind of reimagine the

1070
01:21:58,820 --> 01:22:03,180
Blair Witch Project. And they're going to do this with a number of Lionsgate properties.

1071
01:22:03,380 --> 01:22:08,560
Like they're going to go through the Lionsgate vaults and reimagine a number

1072
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,380
of their horror properties, which it feels very weird.

1073
01:22:12,380 --> 01:22:18,360
I am nervous I love the Blair Witch Project I love a lot of Lionsgate movies

1074
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:24,300
and I love a lot of remakes and so I'm like could this be great? What's it going to be?

1075
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:27,020
I don't know. Is David Gordon Green attached?

1076
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,780
I don't know Is it going to be Exorcist Believer?

1077
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:36,460
So yeah I mean I'm a little bit nervous when they say they're going to touch

1078
01:22:36,460 --> 01:22:41,920
some of my favorite stuff but I want to keep an open mind It feels like.

1079
01:22:43,358 --> 01:22:48,538
We're them saying we're officially out of ideas. Yeah, that's true.

1080
01:22:48,798 --> 01:22:52,538
I mean, that's just what it feels like. Like we're just going to like raid someone

1081
01:22:52,538 --> 01:22:55,278
else's vault, raid someone else's IP.

1082
01:22:55,558 --> 01:22:59,158
Yeah, that's true. And we can do that. And I know that like,

1083
01:22:59,258 --> 01:23:05,358
you know, Ben Rock has spoken against it and he's Joshua Leonard has coming

1084
01:23:05,358 --> 01:23:06,858
out and spoken against it.

1085
01:23:06,858 --> 01:23:11,958
I believe that Eduardo Sanchez and Daniel Myrick have quietly said,

1086
01:23:12,038 --> 01:23:15,118
like, no one's approached us and it's pretty disappointing.

1087
01:23:15,338 --> 01:23:19,858
They stay very classy. Like, they don't talk shit, but they will say,

1088
01:23:19,958 --> 01:23:22,898
like, yep, no one has asked us. Yeah. Yeah.

1089
01:23:23,558 --> 01:23:31,378
And to be fair, they didn't make the Blair Witch Project and then wanted to

1090
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make, like, a lot of more Blair Witch Projects.

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01:23:33,998 --> 01:23:38,878
Like they specifically turned down Blair Witch 2 because they're like partly

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because like they wanted like artisan one of them to make one like right away.

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And they're like, no, let this breathe a little bit.

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01:23:46,178 --> 01:23:51,278
But they also they wanted to make like romantic comedies like they weren't necessarily

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01:23:51,278 --> 01:23:55,658
like we want to just make horror movies like they wanted to make other kinds of movies.

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And they never really got the opportunity to do that, which is pretty unfair.

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01:24:01,638 --> 01:24:06,398
I mean, you make a movie that makes $250 million in your first shot and it's

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disregarded because of like, oh, it's seen as a gimmick.

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01:24:09,738 --> 01:24:12,478
Like, well, it's a pretty goddamn creative gimmick.

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01:24:12,678 --> 01:24:15,838
Let's see. These are creative guys. What else can they do?

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01:24:16,378 --> 01:24:20,258
You think they should be approached to see like, what else do you have in the

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01:24:20,258 --> 01:24:21,778
tank? Like, what could we do here?

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01:24:22,198 --> 01:24:26,058
But that's probably not the route they're going to go. No, I'm just going to

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01:24:26,058 --> 01:24:29,798
be waiting on Edge to see what happens with all that.

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01:24:30,798 --> 01:24:38,058
Can't be worse than Book of Shadows. I think Book of Shadows is fun. It's kind of fun, Mike.

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01:24:39,604 --> 01:24:40,084
I'm not muted.

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01:24:43,024 --> 01:24:45,644
Don't kick me off your show. Don't kick me off your show. I would never kick

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01:24:45,644 --> 01:24:49,404
someone out. I would never do that. I just, I can't. I know you don't like that movie.

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01:24:50,024 --> 01:24:53,964
All right. The Blair Witch Project series was like the first series I listened

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to on the Pod and the Pendulum. Really? Because I was like, oh, yeah.

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01:24:57,524 --> 01:25:00,244
Because I was like, oh, you know, my favorite movie.

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01:25:00,744 --> 01:25:03,544
And so, like, when I found this podcast. I did not know that.

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01:25:03,824 --> 01:25:07,144
Mm-hmm. When I found this podcast, I listened all the way through the Blair

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01:25:07,144 --> 01:25:10,944
Witch Project first. And I was like, man, Mike hates bookshadows.

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01:25:11,424 --> 01:25:16,744
I really do. I know. It's silly. It's kind of fun. It just made me angry.

1116
01:25:16,944 --> 01:25:17,864
Yeah. I mean, fair enough.

1117
01:25:18,304 --> 01:25:25,844
It seems to be getting a reevaluation of sorts. People are coming around to it. Not me.

1118
01:25:26,224 --> 01:25:31,124
That's okay. I'm steadfast. Now, maybe there's a cut of it.

1119
01:25:31,204 --> 01:25:35,724
Maybe there's allegedly a Berlinger cut and he wanted to do something much different with it.

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01:25:35,784 --> 01:25:39,124
That would have been much better. maybe i don't

1121
01:25:39,124 --> 01:25:42,964
know like who am i to say he's a fantastic documentarian

1122
01:25:42,964 --> 01:25:46,684
he made those west memphis three documentaries yeah

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01:25:46,684 --> 01:25:49,544
yep he did like the he's done a number of

1124
01:25:49,544 --> 01:25:54,544
you know phenomenal and influential and really important documentaries but i

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01:25:54,544 --> 01:26:00,844
think when you come into it like offended that others made a movie in the style

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01:26:00,844 --> 01:26:07,224
of like what you're used to or what you've done that's It's not the best place

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01:26:07,224 --> 01:26:08,344
to approach the material.

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01:26:08,704 --> 01:26:10,964
It's not a healthy starting point. No.

1129
01:26:11,884 --> 01:26:18,364
All right. Well, on that note, we have so little to say about Ghost Dimension

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01:26:18,364 --> 01:26:22,344
that we're talking about Blair Witch Project. Book of Shadows, specifically.

1131
01:26:22,964 --> 01:26:26,684
One more thing. Saw 11 pushed back a year. I know.

1132
01:26:27,284 --> 01:26:31,144
Like, we got that news, and then the next day we got the Blair Witch remake

1133
01:26:31,144 --> 01:26:34,224
news, and I just had an emotional rollercoaster of a week.

1134
01:26:34,224 --> 01:26:43,584
So Tobin Bell is 81 yeah I guess I don't know they're pretty they're rolling

1135
01:26:43,584 --> 01:26:48,704
the dice they're pushing that thing back a year yeah we all need to manifest

1136
01:26:48,704 --> 01:26:53,424
our our positive bubble yeah yeah roll that out for Mr.

1137
01:26:53,584 --> 01:26:59,244
Bell so that's that's you know like I hope he looks in great shape yeah yes,

1138
01:27:00,831 --> 01:27:04,991
But like, you know, that's like when my aunt, who's a little bit older,

1139
01:27:05,231 --> 01:27:07,591
a couple years ago got a kitten.

1140
01:27:08,151 --> 01:27:13,311
And I think I said, I'm like, I think I said, that's optimistic.

1141
01:27:15,371 --> 01:27:20,311
But, you know, yeah, pushing that thing back a year. I know.

1142
01:27:20,991 --> 01:27:24,531
You know, well, with AI, I guess you can have like jigsaw forever.

1143
01:27:25,071 --> 01:27:26,731
I don't think that's good.

1144
01:27:27,571 --> 01:27:31,051
You know, I don't think it would be either. there. But well,

1145
01:27:31,131 --> 01:27:34,671
Ari, well, what do you have coming up?

1146
01:27:34,811 --> 01:27:37,791
Oh, my gosh. Have you guys heard I wrote a book?

1147
01:27:38,011 --> 01:27:40,691
What? I know. I'd never talk about it.

1148
01:27:41,711 --> 01:27:47,131
But really, that's the main thing for me right now. So you can add it to your

1149
01:27:47,131 --> 01:27:48,911
want to read on Goodreads.

1150
01:27:49,311 --> 01:27:54,191
You can read reviews of it on Goodreads if you want to see what other people think of it.

1151
01:27:54,471 --> 01:28:01,131
You can preorder a physical copy, be an ebook or an audio book on encyclopocalypse.com.

1152
01:28:01,751 --> 01:28:07,131
And if you know you're going to buy it, please pre-order it because that really helps me.

1153
01:28:07,431 --> 01:28:10,651
If you're not sure if you're going to buy it, then you can disregard that message.

1154
01:28:10,991 --> 01:28:15,531
What is the name of said book? Let's say someone- Oh my God, I didn't even say it.

1155
01:28:15,731 --> 01:28:19,791
What if someone didn't? What if this is the first time someone's ever heard

1156
01:28:19,791 --> 01:28:24,731
this show and they did not know you wrote a book? It can always be someone's

1157
01:28:24,731 --> 01:28:26,411
first episode. So yes, absolutely.

1158
01:28:26,671 --> 01:28:31,551
My book is called Millennial Nasties, Analyzing a Decade of Brutal Horror Film Violence.

1159
01:28:31,811 --> 01:28:35,931
And it is an analysis of English language horror from the 2000s,

1160
01:28:35,931 --> 01:28:38,891
mostly torture porn and torture porn adjacent films.

1161
01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:47,920
Excellent. Thank you for reminding me. Yes. And that comes out September 17th.

1162
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,320
Yes. Is that the official release date?

1163
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:53,400
Yes, it is. Of the 2024, the year of our Lord. Not 1992.

1164
01:28:54,020 --> 01:28:58,500
And not 2025 with Saw 11. No.

1165
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,620
Now, it seems like you were timing it for the release of Saw 11.

1166
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:08,520
It is the 20th anniversary of Saw this year. Wow. And no release of a new movie.

1167
01:29:08,940 --> 01:29:12,040
I know. No, but release of my book. There you go.

1168
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,800
Excellent. Excellent. Well, listeners, you know me.

1169
01:29:15,860 --> 01:29:21,180
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01:29:21,300 --> 01:29:24,680
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1171
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:28,640
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1172
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:35,560
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1173
01:29:35,660 --> 01:29:38,780
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1174
01:29:39,380 --> 01:29:43,820
Wherever you're listening to this show, I've been asking this a lot,

1175
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,280
and I'm going to continue to ask.

1176
01:29:45,380 --> 01:29:49,960
Please make sure that you are rating, reviewing, and subscribing to our show.

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01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,460
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01:29:54,580 --> 01:29:57,000
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1179
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:02,180
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01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:06,320
Go to patreon.com slash pod in the pendulum.

1181
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,160
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1182
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,800
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1183
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:18,860
i just recorded and posted an episode where we compare and contrast immaculate

1184
01:30:18,860 --> 01:30:24,260
and the first omen i'm trying to get one of our co-hosts to talk lisa frankenstein

1185
01:30:24,260 --> 01:30:29,660
later this month i know in may i definitely want to do late night with the devil.

1186
01:30:30,738 --> 01:30:36,118
I have an idea that I'm going to pitch to one of the co-hosts later on about

1187
01:30:36,118 --> 01:30:40,238
a series we should do through the end of the year,

1188
01:30:40,338 --> 01:30:46,638
specifically about a specific year in movies that's not necessarily horror related.

1189
01:30:46,858 --> 01:30:49,618
So maybe some news there as well.

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01:30:49,878 --> 01:30:53,878
But like, really, folks, like we need some more patrons. You know,

1191
01:30:53,898 --> 01:30:59,178
it's getting a little bit more expensive to do the show between like recording

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01:31:01,958 --> 01:31:08,338
So your patronage does go a long way to keeping the doors open and allowing

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01:31:08,338 --> 01:31:10,698
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So if you can consider that, we would be very appreciative. And remember,

1196
01:31:15,838 --> 01:31:21,618
when we get to 50 patrons, we've promised to do Hellraiser. Yeah.

1197
01:31:21,798 --> 01:31:26,738
And I won't. We're so far away from that that it's. But if you want us to do

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Hellraiser, dear listener, give us $2 a month and we'll be one person closer. There you go.

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So patreon.com slash pod and the pendulum.

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01:31:36,978 --> 01:31:44,738
And we will be back next week. We'll be wrapping up our coverage of the Paranormal

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01:31:44,738 --> 01:31:46,838
Activity Series in the next couple weeks,

1202
01:31:47,058 --> 01:31:53,238
where we do Next of Kin next week to wrap up the movies. Then we're going to do a ranking episode.

1203
01:31:54,858 --> 01:31:58,818
Probably have a week off from doing movies. I probably want to do something

1204
01:31:58,818 --> 01:32:02,458
a little bit different, like a shorter kind of like bonus episode,

1205
01:32:02,638 --> 01:32:05,018
maybe like a what are we watching type of episode.

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01:32:05,018 --> 01:32:10,898
Episode just to give us one more week of preparation as we get into our next

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01:32:10,898 --> 01:32:17,278
franchise which will be blade so we're looking forward to that until then i

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01:32:17,278 --> 01:32:20,758
don't know i got nothing got nothing at this point don't get sucked into the

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01:32:20,758 --> 01:32:23,778
ghost dimension that was very good do not get.

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Music.