RANKING THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY SERIES

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Pod and the Pendulum, the horror movie

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podcast that covers all of the franchises, one movie in one episode at a time.

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And this week, we are here to put another franchise to bed.

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We are here to do what everyone does, and that is to rate things.

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We're going to be dropping our series rankings on all of the paranormal activity movies.

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But before we do that, and before I introduce our illustrious panel today,

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this episode is dropping roughly the week that we will be celebrating like five

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years of being around as a show.

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So I just want to take like a super brief second to say like,

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thank you to everybody that's ever listened to us, whether it was like five

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years ago when we were a wee baby podcast or has come on more recently.

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Anyone who's ever guested, I want to thank all the co-hosts.

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Yeah, it's a super long time. So thank you so much. That's basically it.

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All right. Moving forward. Up first is one of our panelists today.

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She is the author of the upcoming book, Millennial Nasties.

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Miss Ariel Powershab. Ariel, how are we?

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I'm good. I'm excited to rank some movies.

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Everybody's favorite activity. Let's make a list.

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Let's do that. Everyone's favorite thing to do. Favorite hallway to be dragged down, I would say.

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If you could get dragged down a single hall, which hall would it be?

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Also joining us from Halloweenies and Girls on the Boys and the Losers Club,

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Miss Rachel Reeves. Rachel, how are we today?

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Oh, I'm doing so good. I love a list.

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And as like a completionist, there's just that special like feeling of satisfaction

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when you're like, all right, I've seen the entire franchise.

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I know all there is to know about this particular franchise,

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you know, until the next one comes out. Yes.

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But if Jason Blum has his way, there will be no more paranormal activity movies.

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He's like, I think it's time to put this one to bed. Like, yeah,

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I, you know, I do not trust or believe that man at all.

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I think that if history has taught

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us anything, it's that there's never a franchise that's ever truly dead.

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What if paranormal activity, but like Megan is the demon?

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It's like demon Megan. Like a demon, like a, oh God, they probably would do

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something like that. Or I feel like they have been trying that,

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right? I haven't seen imaginary.

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I haven't seen, but it's kind of like all these other sort of inanimate objects

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that are somehow coming to life in some way, shape or form. Like,

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yeah. What if somehow...

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Yeah, some demon, some paranormal demon, like, inhabits a doll and is skulking

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around the house. Would not put it past them.

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I also haven't seen Imaginary. I just listened to the Big Picture podcast,

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and they covered, like, the first third of the year, like, horror movies.

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And they, like, one of their co-hosts famously, like, she does not enjoy horror movies.

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But she watched Imaginary, so they just brought her on for that segment.

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And they said there was like one good bit

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in it where they're like recording the little girl having

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a psych session and they show

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it back to the mom and she's like oh well she's just like talking to her teddy

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bear like it's not a big deal and the psychiatrist played by like jessica lang

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is like there is no teddy bear though like there was not a teddy bear like the

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teddy bear's not real like and that was the one good thing about the movie yeah

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like that's kind of neat So fake teddy bears.

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Speaking of big, cuddly teddy bears, the host of the Spectre Cinema Club.

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He has a wonderful dog. He's a good man himself.

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Mr. Devon Taylor. Devon, how are we? hello hello

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i am fantastic i love a list

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and for my patented how hungover is

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devon today i'm at about a four right now i'm i'm rallying uh after after i

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finish uh my bacon actually sorry calcifer and eyes bacon because he is like

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staring me down right now yeah how much bacon does he get he gets like it depends

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because like so if i have if i make three strips one strip is his two Two are mine.

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Yeah. And if it's like if I make five strips, then it's like,

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well, three and a half of those are mine. And then he gets like a strip and a half. So it depends.

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How bold is Calcifer? Like, will he just straight up take bacon off your plate?

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No, he he will never. He will never do that.

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He will stand there and he'll shake until you like until you like give it to him.

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Like, yeah, it puts on this whole act where he looks like the saddest dog in

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the world. And he shakes.

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He's just like, give it to me before I explode. but he will not take it off

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the plate. What a sweet baby.

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I would give him anything he wants. I know.

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So my dog will also shake. Like she will literally vibrate until you feed her.

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But if you're not paying attention, like I, and every now and then I'll put

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down a bowl of food for her and she'll pick up the bowl and she'll carry it to her little crate.

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And she'll like, like our yogurt cups or anything she can like get her mouth around.

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It's adorable, horrible, but she will take food off the plate and she'll jump up.

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We feed the cats on like the table because we know that she'll just eat the cat's food.

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And every now and then, like, she'll just be like, oh, I can jump up on the

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chair and the table and you'll see her like eating the cat's food on the table.

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So she can teach Kelsa for some tricks.

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So, all right. Speaking of tricks, let's talk about this series. Pretty fun one to cover.

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Seven movies. A lot of them are pretty similar. Things start to kind of like

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bleed into one another a little bit here.

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And, you know, what we basically did is we just kind of ran through the list

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and we kind of said last to first how we felt about it.

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And Devon, once again, you're kind of the chaos agent. Like your rankings caused some ties.

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It caused a movie that I thought was going to be a kind of like a dark horse to hit the top three.

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Like you dropped it way down the list with your rankings.

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I know which one we're talking there. I know that's where I'm going to get the

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ire. But I thought my list was fairly normal this time around.

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But yeah, there's that one thing on there that just changed everything.

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But I had to do math because of your list. I literally had to bust out the calculator.

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I had to do like median and mean. And it was incredible.

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I like to think of you sitting there with an abacus. These rankings.

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Just pounding my fist on the wall. But I wouldn't have it any other way.

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Like, really, what would be the point?

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It's kind of why we didn't do, like, Frankenstein. Because, like,

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it would be, like, everybody knows what the number one movie is going to be like. And then, so.

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Some franchises you just don't need to rank.

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Yeah. Yeah. Paranormal activity, worth it. All right.

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So, let us start. Does everybody have acts? I know I sent this out super,

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super late to everybody.

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But if everybody has the list in front of them, Rachel, would you mind kicking

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things off with what came in dead last for us here?

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What is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the.

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Yeah, bottom, bottom rung of this ladder here, this paranormal activity ladder

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goes to none other than ghost dimension.

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Yeah. How could that be?

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This was last place for everybody except for me. And it was next to last for me.

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Rachel, why can you talk a little bit about why this was your dead last pick?

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Yeah, it just I it just pushed a lot of buttons. It was trying to do a lot of things.

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I didn't necessarily. I.

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I don't know, too much. It felt like like I didn't appreciate so much kind of CGI stuff.

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It felt like it was forcing itself to be a paranormal activity movie in a lot of ways.

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The characters I felt, I don't know, not necessarily super attached to. It had its moments.

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Like I didn't hate all of it. I just felt like it was the least genuine,

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the least successful in some ways,

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and just thought they really overdid it

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with some of the pretty heavy cgi kind

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of visuals and stuff that just didn't it just didn't

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all work with me very well i just think there's there's some other stuff

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that's doing there's other films that are just doing more interesting things in

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my opinion yeah it felt like with

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the marked ones doing things like a lot differently and

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being pretty successful but not having like

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the returns the first four movies did

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that they like immediately retreated back

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to the same old formula like huge suburban

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sprawling home with like a white family we're

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going to do like the static camera shots we're going to have like the night

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one type of things but then like to your point rather than do the things that

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worked before in terms of like atmospheric creeps it's like what if we rendered things like a PS3.

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You know, what if we give you the best graphics that like the first generation Xbox could offer?

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Maybe fans will go for that. And by and large, they didn't.

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Devon, why was this on your list? Why was this so low on your list?

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Oh, man. You see, this is the only movie in the franchise that like actively angered me.

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I was offended by this movie because it's just

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such a hollow shallow rehash of so many things that we've seen before even more

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egregious than four because at least four still had like some creative scares

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here and there and like you know some good characters to keep us going through

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it the the family here they are nothing like i feel nothing,

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towards them leela creepy creepy little girl she she's the the thing that keeps

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this movie watchable at least because she is very awkward and creepy just like hunter.

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But yeah, and then just like they're doing too much while also doing nothing.

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Yes. Like they are introducing all these extra things.

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You know, we're taking the power away from the midwives because now they're

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actually led by some dude named Toby or not Toby, Kent with a ponytail.

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You're telling me that's the leader of the midwives? No, get out of here.

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Like, you know, they're terrible, but, you know, they are powerful women villains.

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I hated that we brought Kent in to take that away from them.

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And and then toby reveal is just kind of like right like a leaky like ink blot thing like what

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are we doing like i don't know so yeah ghost dimension i

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will never watch this again nope well said

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what else do you have to add aria i'll just say that if toby had a body in 1992

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and against the whole rest of the movies and that has ruined my brain and made

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me very unhappy yeah yeah like Like nothing else can really happen at that point

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because he's kind of like walking and talking and he's out there in the real world.

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You know, he's there for the attitude area. He's there for like Brett screwed Brett.

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He's there for all that. You know, that'd be kind of fun, though.

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Anyway, if he's. Yeah, that would be kind of fun.

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But, yeah, it's just it's again, it's they have some interesting conceits they do.

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I think the videotapes with Katie and Christy where they are kind of like describing

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what's happening in the present day,

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even things like when Lily sneezes and they say like, bless you,

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like that's pretty fun and pretty creepy.

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And I wish they had done maybe a little more with that stuff and maybe a little

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less with like Uncle Mike, who, you know, has to make sure that they can't live

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within like a thousand feet of a school, you know, things like that.

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Like who is like super super creepy and just

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like i'm gonna go visit mom next time it's like

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yeah no skin off our backs man like we really

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don't really want you here anyway just him

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and his like hipster mustache like that whole movie is the worst character in

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this franchise guys i think uncle mike is just like out of just pure annoyance

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and just like not funny to be the comedic relief like i think he might be the

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worst like character in this franchise,

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I don't know what he, Daniel, and Mika's three-piece pop-punk band.

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Nightmare. They would be. Yeah.

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They would just be the worst. Yeah. I hate how much exposition there is.

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I feel like they're trying so hard to connect all these things. And it's just, oh, God.

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It's a paranormal activity movie. movie and there's like these just whole moments

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where it's like they're just exploring all this lore and expanding upon things

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in ways that why it's just unnecessary it felt so unnatural,

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in those moments it's like what how did you figure it out in the camera thing

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it just felt like there was a hat on a hat on a hat on a hat and ultimately

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like these movies to me feel like they operate the best when they're actually

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like lean and a little bit more stripped down and this one just felt like Like

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it was just throwing everything at the wall,

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which inevitably just makes nothing stick.

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Ghost portal, inkblot Toby, Kent, special camera.

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Like, I mean, it's just all it's got way too much stuff with the house,

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you know, like just that, you know, though, you know, it's one of the they move

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the headstones, but you didn't move the body.

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You know, like right down, but it's still the property.

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It's still attached to this area. Like, oh, my God, I would I do.

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I would love to see a cutaway scene of Possessed Katie getting her realtor's

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license. Taking the test.

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Interviewing for jobs in her little suits. Yeah. But with the stone face on

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the whole time. Of course. It'd be so funny.

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Stone face Possessed Katie showing off the houses to prospective couples and

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talking about things like the airflow and the schools in the neighborhood.

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And everything would be incredible. That is the deleted scene that we deserve.

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And I don't know why they haven't done that. Yes.

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Also, I think this movie would have moved up in my rankings if they went with

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the original ending, which is we talked about it on the recorded episode where

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the exorcism works and they get rid of Toby.

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They move house and they end up like bumping into like young Katie and Christy anyway.

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And it's insinuated that like they get integrated into the cult at the end.

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Like, they're throwing a birthday party.

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The mom is visibly pregnant. Leela's wishing for a baby brother.

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And, like, Ponytailed Ket, like, picks Leela up and is, like,

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congratulating her on her birthday.

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And everyone is happy. And then it smashes to credits.

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And it's like, man, that's creepy.

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Like, it would have maybe moved up a spot in my rankings if they went with that

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ending, because that would have been pretty bold, especially as a series capper.

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But as it is, it feels like too much of a remake of our next movie,

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which is next to last in our ranking.

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And since, Devon, I see you kind of chewing there, I'm going to have Arielle

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introduce what came in next on our number six of seven in our rankings.

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Number six for us is Paranormal Activity 4, the greatest hits album that Toby put out.

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This was my last place finish. Okay, fair enough. What were your thoughts on this, Arielle?

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What were your thoughts in part four? Yeah, like we talked about on the episode itself,

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it felt just like a rehash, a redo of a lot of things we'd seen in the previous

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movies, the scares we'd seen in the previous movies, without adding a lot to care about.

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It showed its hand way early involving Katie.

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A lot of things in it don't make sense, not to the egregious degree as Ghost

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Dimension, but enough that we were questioning a lot of, you know,

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why characters were doing certain things that they were doing.

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It does have some cool stuff like the Xbox Kinect and like the character of

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Alex. She's pretty good and the kids are good.

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But overall, it's just kind of like all the movies are stronger.

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Except for Ghost Dimension. Except for Ghost Dimension. Yeah.

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I have this one a spot higher on my list.

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And yeah, like how we just like kind of mentioned about Ghost Dimension,

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like four definitely is the Toby Vanity Project just being like,

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hey, like, remember when I did this? Remember, you like those leg pulls, right?

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You know, but I like it because I think it does have some some good scares in

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it as some creepy moments.

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We have Catherine Newton is putting in a fun performance and and yeah,

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and and we talked about it in the

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episode and in the marked ones if you would flip the

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marked ones in and for like in the

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series then it would have felt like more fresh like

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with yeah and then and then again like also not showing katie

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so early and like you know really like if you're gonna make that your twist

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i'm like okay like really hit us with it i think it would have hit better if

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it came after the marked ones after we had spent some time away from katie and

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christy and and that whole thing because the first three films are such a strong trilogy.

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They're really a good, solid trilogy. And then four is just kind of like, let's try again.

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Let's do some more. But again, I think it has some fun moments in it.

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And it's watchable. It's not going to be the first one I want to put on.

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But if I'm doing my series watch, I'm not going to skip this one.

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I'm going to watch it. So I like four. Fine.

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Yeah. Yeah, I think that I like I really like the characters in this one,

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apart from the parents. I do like the kid characters.

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And I think it's doing some interesting things with technology.

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But ultimately, it just yeah, it's like a greatest hits. It's doing things we've seen before.

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It's not necessarily treading new territory in like the scares and the mystery department.

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And then I just like, honestly, it's the Katie thing.

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It's like the actual ties to the original mythology that

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get me that just make me kind of roll my eyes because yeah it doesn't

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make sense it's it's very confusing I feel like the actions of the family don't

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make sense like they would not take this kid in and I just it's too far to believe

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like you know there's a lot I'll believe in a movie like there's a lot of things

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where I'll be like just go with it just don't think about it but this one is kind of going a

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little bit too far in that arena for it to actually make

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sense and so but i yeah similarly i

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don't hate it there's a lot to like about it i don't think

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i really hate any of these movies but i probably won't

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watch ghost dimension again from here on up i would probably watch all of these

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again for you know one reason or another so i don't want this to sound like

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oh i hate this movie or anything it's just unfortunately there's others that

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i like way more yeah rachel do you think cause you mentioned like tying Katie into it.

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Do you think that like the creators overestimated fans or.

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Affection for katie you know like when we think

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of like the scream series like how fans are

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really like invested in the characters of like sydney

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prescott and you know within even the newer movies like the core four where

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there's like a lot of of fans that really like watch the movies more for those

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characters do you think maybe creators like of this series overestimated how

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much people cared about like Katie and her involvement.

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And that's why they kept bringing her back for each and every movie.

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I can see that. I mean, don't get us wrong. Like we all love a good final girl,

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but sorry, Katie ain't it.

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Like he is not it for me. And like, so like, she's not that great an actor either.

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Like it's not, she's not, I definitely could not do better. So let's be very clear about that.

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But ultimately, like I am not swayed by

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her charisma or her charm or even her

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actions like even as a villain like

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I don't find her particularly like threatening or you know crafty like she's

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just kind of I mean I get it like she's supposed to be kind of like possessed

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but she's almost too mono like there's not a whole lot to attach there it's

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too flat there's nothing I can identify with it. There's nothing I'm rooting for.

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Yeah. And so why would I want to keep seeing her?

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And why would she keep like, I don't believe that this woman is going to be

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succeeding at this level and doing and pulling all these strings and being this

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manipulative and doing all these things and selling houses or whatever.

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Like, I do not believe that this character would be building and working behind

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the scenes on all this evil stuff because she's just so like.

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Meh flat like i actually had a

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little bit more appreciation for katie on this series like

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go through like yeah she's not great by any means like

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as far as like performances go but like as being at least you know some sort

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of steady hand throughout the franchise like really the only recurring you know

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like consistently recurring i think she has the most appearances out of everybody

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you know and you know i think she's i i appreciate her being there but at At certain points, yeah.

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Like, again, like with four, if they would have had her in it less and then,

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you know, and like her just be like that extra sprinkling on top for it,

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then it's like, you know, cool.

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But yeah, so like I had a bit of an appreciation for her. She's kind of a baddie.

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She also looks like if a husky like made a wish to become a human.

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That's what Katie looks like. Oh, my goodness.

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And I love her for it. And also for PA4, Hunter and his special fork.

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That the film gets a lot of points for

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hunter i think robbie robbie yeah

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because robbie is a hunter robbie

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is like yeah the red herring but yeah this the hundred year old for robbie brady

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allen who plays robbie gives i think one of the all-time great creepy kid performances

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like any Any positive remarks about this movie for me are all about Brady Allen as Robbie,

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because he like is alternatively creepy in a very understated way.

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And also hilarious because he plays Robbie is like a 95 year old man trapped

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in the body of a six year old.

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And he's just adorable and hilarious.

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And I really love it. It's a Benjamin Button scenario.

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Oh, absolutely. that just it's awesome and when he's just like yeah he doesn't

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like you who doesn't like you you'll see just like that will never not pop me

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yeah in the biggest way how about yourself ari.

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We're still talking about four right we are still talking for just for you know

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some of them kind of run together for me they do um no i mean i think like i

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said before i think it's fine i like the It's the character of Alex.

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It's a little bit of a greatest hits. But at this point in the franchise,

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I'm not quite too burned out on it yet.

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So it's not high for me, but it's not Ghost Dimension.

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Yeah, it is where I tapped out and it is where theatrically it's where I tapped

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out until really I didn't watch the until next of kin came out.

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And it's because I think the first three movies make a pretty strong trilogy.

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And this one plays a lot like part two. You know, Catherine Newton is obviously

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like she's very, very solid in every kind of like genre project she's in.

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She's done two really good ones this year between Lisa Frankenstein.

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And now I think she's like the highlight of Abigail is or one of the two or

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three highlights of Abigail as well.

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Like she's really fun in that and steals a lot of the scenes that she's in.

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So it's kind of nice seeing her in like a very early project and honestly playing

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like an age appropriate, like to her, the age she actually is character,

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like she's the age of her character, which is funny because 10 years later,

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she's still playing a high schooler.

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So that is funny, but also maybe a little bit icky as well.

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And she's pretty good in here i think it

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just it boils down to number one like again playing

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the greatest hits and number two you have this ending which is just feels very

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rushed it feels a lot like the devil inside ending where you just like camera

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drops go to credit and that's really it you're like that's that's you know not

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even whelming it's very underwhelming as an ending All right, let's move forward.

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Let's go ahead and move to what came in fifth.

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And this is where we got a little chaos here in the middle, losing out by one

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point because of one person's very low ranking.

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So, Devon, do you want to introduce what came in fifth and maybe talk about

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why you had this one, I think, next to last in your poll?

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I did I didn't I didn't think this was going to be controversial here in the

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fifth slot we have next of kin and to be fair to you I think that your opinion is the norm.

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Oh, okay, cool. Like, I mean, I knew going in that you were a big fan of it already.

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So I was like, and this was the only one I had not seen before us recording this series.

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So it was a first time watch for me. I didn't know what to expect.

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And, you know, it's very frustrating. Like, because I think it has a great setup.

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I think it has some interesting ideas.

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But then it's not only underutilizing the found footage, but like also breaking the rules of it.

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Particularly in the third act the the editing and the why are you still filming this truly.

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Does not make sense in this movie like there's no

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reason that this whole finale would have been filmed you

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know like it just i don't know i liked having it in

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the snow but then they didn't use the snow as much like i

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don't know like there's a i think there's a lot of good ingredients it

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just it's it's too salty like i don't know it just it

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and and there's also no like there's

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like three re-scares this entire movie like the finale is

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like fun and all like whenever everything's on fire and people

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are killing each other that's fun great the like

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previous 50 minutes before that what we

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got nothing like until the creature is unchained there

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is no activity in this one there is

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no paranormal activity like the there's the one bed there's

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the bed scene and i was like okay and

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then we didn't get like another scare for like 45 minutes

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like yeah i don't know so like the the pacing i don't think is very good i think

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this movie would be a better movie if it one wasn't found footage and two wasn't

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a paranormal activity movie like i think it has the the concept alone i think

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has the strength to be its own thing and they could have spent you know.

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Instead of worrying about the found footage stuff, then you have more time to

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spend on developing her character and everything.

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And like the ties within the cult, and it could be like very creepy and unsettling.

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And so like as a paranormal activity movie and a found footage movie,

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it comes up short for me there.

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I think they're banking on the idea that the Amish are creepy enough without

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having to do a lot though.

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I think, you know, I think there it's like, what a bunch of weirdos churning their own butter.

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And having horses like who we know who the Amish people are,

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you know, by now they've done documentaries, they've had reality TV series.

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So it's like, I don't think it's like, like, just simply being.

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I was like, yeah, I know what they do. It's whatever. I still think they're

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hiding something. I don't know, Devon. I'm not sold.

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So I had this hire and I was kind of surprised.

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I think Rachel, Ariel, myself, we all had this ranked third on our list.

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And Ariel, I was kind of shocked because when we did our episode,

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you didn't seem too keen on it. You said you were going to give it a rewatch

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and it kind of like shot right up the rankings.

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And I was kind of curious as to like what turns you around.

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You're reframing of this isn't a found footage movie.

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Fixed it. Because I, like you were saying, Devon, this doesn't make a damn bit

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of sense as a found footage movie.

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I absolutely do not buy it. And it made me enjoy them, like not enjoy the movie.

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But as soon as I decided it wasn't, and that these filmmakers put this together

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to submit to a film festival, I was like, oh, now I like this movie.

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Now this movie is fun, because I can just let go of, you know,

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why none of this makes a damn bit of sense.

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And I can just enjoy the craziness. So, yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. My theory on it is it's not a found footage movie.

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That we go into it with the assumption it is because we've had six movies where

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it's a found footage movie.

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And that like what Bill Eubanks is doing is like telling a movie about a pair

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of documentarians that are filming a document documentary.

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Crazy word, a documentary about this woman's upbringing.

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Upbringing but like it's not explicitly a documentary

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in and of or mockumentary in and of itself and that's

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why you have things like it's scored and there are stingers and drone shots

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and you have these things like the impossible amount of cuts like during the

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dinner scene and it switches angles at the end of the movie when she confronts

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her mother at the end like things you

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can't do in a found footage movie.

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So we're taking our own like bias into it because we've seen six other paranormal activity movies.

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And what Eubanks is doing is like, I'm just going to make my own movie.

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Like this is a guy that introduced Cthulhu into one of his movies and didn't

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bother to really tell anyone he was going to do that.

436
00:31:26,316 --> 00:31:30,496
Like there's no hint in underwater that like, oh yeah, by the way,

437
00:31:30,756 --> 00:31:32,376
this is a Lovecraft film.

438
00:31:32,516 --> 00:31:35,276
He just kind of like does what he feels like which i think is

439
00:31:35,276 --> 00:31:38,116
kind of neat yeah like for me like this

440
00:31:38,116 --> 00:31:41,676
was third like you said and i think that i

441
00:31:41,676 --> 00:31:45,856
just appreciated something new i

442
00:31:45,856 --> 00:31:51,676
really do like in terms of this franchise because like i get it you're this

443
00:31:51,676 --> 00:31:55,916
franchise is built on a very specific look a very specific style a very specific

444
00:31:55,916 --> 00:32:01,356
story but at some point like you gotta call it like all right like Like this,

445
00:32:01,536 --> 00:32:03,356
it's time to take a little break.

446
00:32:03,556 --> 00:32:07,396
Like we've done what we can here. And like just to continue pushing that is

447
00:32:07,396 --> 00:32:11,256
just going to be diminishing returns. And this franchise needed something.

448
00:32:11,616 --> 00:32:15,376
And it's also what I liked about another film on this list that we're going

449
00:32:15,376 --> 00:32:19,276
to talk about is just kind of re-approaching it.

450
00:32:19,376 --> 00:32:23,236
Like, okay, let's kind of just take another look at this franchise and what

451
00:32:23,236 --> 00:32:28,056
it could be and what it could do and what we're going to do moving forward and

452
00:32:28,056 --> 00:32:32,256
just leave Katie and Toby alone, put them away, they're done.

453
00:32:32,776 --> 00:32:37,656
Don't ever want to revisit those stories, quite frankly, or not for a very long

454
00:32:37,656 --> 00:32:39,056
time unless it's a very good idea.

455
00:32:40,507 --> 00:32:44,827
They'll come back to it when Katie is old enough to be one of the older midwives.

456
00:32:44,887 --> 00:32:46,727
Yes, perhaps. Like when she's like 60.

457
00:32:47,187 --> 00:32:50,847
Like it felt like a video game in ways. And like, yes, I agree that there's

458
00:32:50,847 --> 00:32:52,507
a lot of things that don't make sense with the filming.

459
00:32:52,567 --> 00:32:56,187
But I think I kind of looked at it like you did, Mike, where it's not found

460
00:32:56,187 --> 00:33:00,427
footage in the traditional sense of what this franchise has been kind of establishing

461
00:33:00,427 --> 00:33:02,787
it as. I mean, yeah, there's slow-mo.

462
00:33:03,247 --> 00:33:07,287
There's like all sorts of weird stuff in it. But I'm also a sucker for like

463
00:33:07,287 --> 00:33:11,387
anything in the general vicinity of folk horror.

464
00:33:11,867 --> 00:33:19,487
And I thought that was like a fun new paranormal, you know, avenue to explore here.

465
00:33:19,827 --> 00:33:25,387
Also, yeah, the Amish are kind of creepy. Sorry to all of our Amish listeners.

466
00:33:26,147 --> 00:33:29,247
But it's just because we don't know. We don't understand. Right.

467
00:33:29,327 --> 00:33:32,547
I mean, I've seen Witness with Harrison Ford, and it's a great film.

468
00:33:34,307 --> 00:33:37,227
So if you'd like some like positive perhaps

469
00:33:37,227 --> 00:33:40,047
amish representation you can go check out that film what

470
00:33:40,047 --> 00:33:43,647
worth aren't they murderers and witness i thought like in witness they either

471
00:33:43,647 --> 00:33:48,567
murders or they're covering up a murder harrison ford is framed and then he

472
00:33:48,567 --> 00:33:54,847
goes the omit like this amish kid witnesses a murder and so they go back to

473
00:33:54,847 --> 00:33:58,967
their little you know amish community and harrison Harrison Ford's hiding out there,

474
00:33:59,087 --> 00:34:02,847
but then falls in love with the spirit of the Amish community.

475
00:34:03,147 --> 00:34:08,627
Okay. So he's framed in another movie. It's not just a fugitive where he gets framed. Correct.

476
00:34:08,967 --> 00:34:10,987
What is it about Harrison Ford

477
00:34:10,987 --> 00:34:14,307
that makes like that face where people are like, he could kill somebody?

478
00:34:16,107 --> 00:34:19,967
Well, that's the thing. It's like, no, he couldn't. But then they frame him

479
00:34:19,967 --> 00:34:21,307
and they're like, I just had no idea.

480
00:34:21,827 --> 00:34:26,447
Oh, wow. Okay. I have not seen Witness. Like Witness is one of those movies.

481
00:34:26,447 --> 00:34:29,507
So it is like on my list. I should see this movie. You should.

482
00:34:29,927 --> 00:34:33,567
Okay. It's one of Ford's greats. You can double feature it with next time.

483
00:34:37,058 --> 00:34:40,858
Um i do agree with you devon

484
00:34:40,858 --> 00:34:43,698
that like there isn't a lot that happens through

485
00:34:43,698 --> 00:34:46,658
some of this movie that it's a bit it kind of goes back to

486
00:34:46,658 --> 00:34:51,818
what worked in part one and it's a lot more atmospheric i kind of appreciated

487
00:34:51,818 --> 00:34:56,478
that there was more hey there's this mystery that's unfolding and as a viewer

488
00:34:56,478 --> 00:35:02,118
we only know as much as the characters do as opposed to by the time you We get

489
00:35:02,118 --> 00:35:04,498
to like part two, three and beyond.

490
00:35:04,798 --> 00:35:09,438
We know more than the characters and we're just kind of waiting for them to catch up.

491
00:35:09,718 --> 00:35:14,778
And here I was, I was enthralled enough to go along for the ride with it.

492
00:35:14,858 --> 00:35:17,958
Yeah. And I agree with your take, Rachel. Like we actually said this when we

493
00:35:17,958 --> 00:35:22,158
recorded, like the way it's filmed at times, like the characters do feel like

494
00:35:22,158 --> 00:35:25,878
video game avatars. Like you're kind of like doing a first person video game.

495
00:35:26,098 --> 00:35:30,298
And I think I called the slow motion, like checkoffs, like slow motion at one

496
00:35:30,298 --> 00:35:34,898
point when they show it to the little kid, I'm like, well, that's going to come back at some point.

497
00:35:35,098 --> 00:35:39,958
And poor sweet Dale, like Dale could have easily been like a Daniel,

498
00:35:40,178 --> 00:35:44,218
a Mika, uncle Mike, when you first meet him.

499
00:35:44,298 --> 00:35:49,638
And instead he's just kind of like a half Sasquatch, half galoot,

500
00:35:50,258 --> 00:35:52,678
just like one of my favorite characters.

501
00:35:53,438 --> 00:35:58,738
Just like one of my favorite, like when he's like, oh, I thought that was a clap moment.

502
00:35:58,838 --> 00:36:03,458
It's just like a sweet, sincere, and he's the one that gets God.

503
00:36:04,258 --> 00:36:08,218
And I like that, you know, you have characters that survive at the end of this.

504
00:36:08,278 --> 00:36:11,338
And they're like, well, we're going to go just like the end of Frogman.

505
00:36:11,538 --> 00:36:14,358
Oh, I shouldn't, I should cut that because that movie's new.

506
00:36:14,558 --> 00:36:21,218
But, you know, it's, you know, you have characters that survive at the end of

507
00:36:21,218 --> 00:36:22,318
this. So, and you're right.

508
00:36:22,398 --> 00:36:25,958
It just wasn't like the Mincati and Mika and Toby.

509
00:36:26,298 --> 00:36:30,078
It was just doing something new for the first time. And, you know,

510
00:36:30,118 --> 00:36:32,638
I kind of it's part of the reason I really liked it.

511
00:36:32,698 --> 00:36:35,918
Well, and also this wasn't a theatrical release, right? Like this was like straight.

512
00:36:36,018 --> 00:36:40,098
And I think that that worked for this film. I think if it was a theatrical release

513
00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:43,458
like that, I don't I feel like, you know, we would we just value those things

514
00:36:43,458 --> 00:36:44,018
a little bit differently.

515
00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:46,753
I mean, I think because it's what you're investing in it, right?

516
00:36:46,833 --> 00:36:50,053
You're literally not having to like physically go to the theater and pay your

517
00:36:50,053 --> 00:36:52,933
money, invest your time. And that's a whole endeavor, right?

518
00:36:53,013 --> 00:36:55,993
There's a lot wrapped up in that. So I think having it just being on streaming

519
00:36:55,993 --> 00:37:01,853
was appropriate for this film and just kind of made me just from the very get go from hitting play.

520
00:37:01,973 --> 00:37:05,813
I was thinking about it a little bit differently, which we've seen can like

521
00:37:05,813 --> 00:37:10,273
also hurt a film in some ways. And it's like, no, that should have been a theatrical release.

522
00:37:10,453 --> 00:37:13,913
But I don't I don't think that this should have been. And it was kind of a smart

523
00:37:13,913 --> 00:37:15,953
move for this film, for this franchise.

524
00:37:16,233 --> 00:37:23,273
Yeah. And it was that year, like 2021, when studios were, all right,

525
00:37:23,273 --> 00:37:26,313
not everybody is comfortable going to the theaters yet.

526
00:37:26,393 --> 00:37:29,793
So we're going to put things on our streaming platforms.

527
00:37:30,173 --> 00:37:34,173
And this was like the Halloween weekend release for Paramount.

528
00:37:34,193 --> 00:37:37,673
I think this and then Shudder did the medium that weekend.

529
00:37:37,913 --> 00:37:41,293
So I know this was like my Halloween weekend double feature.

530
00:37:41,293 --> 00:37:44,453
And it was, like, a really fun kind of double feature.

531
00:37:44,993 --> 00:37:49,633
I'd be interested. I don't think this would have been a successful theatrical release.

532
00:37:49,813 --> 00:37:53,993
I could easily see this coming out and then bombing and then,

533
00:37:54,033 --> 00:37:57,353
like, a million write-ups saying, like, the death of the series,

534
00:37:57,533 --> 00:38:03,673
like, how, you know, doing even worse than, like, Ghost Dimension did because it's so different.

535
00:38:03,673 --> 00:38:09,313
Because let's face it, as horror fans, we'll say that we want something different

536
00:38:09,313 --> 00:38:12,013
and something new and not the same old, same old.

537
00:38:12,133 --> 00:38:16,513
But then if we deviate too many degrees from the formula, it's like,

538
00:38:16,553 --> 00:38:20,113
not that different. You're not my dad. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.

539
00:38:20,964 --> 00:38:24,944
It's not my jigsaw, not spiral. That's too different. Not my midwife.

540
00:38:25,324 --> 00:38:29,384
It's also a tough sell, I think, because I mean, you're seven,

541
00:38:29,464 --> 00:38:32,444
you know, six films, seven films deep into a franchise.

542
00:38:32,464 --> 00:38:36,124
And you think about like, not everybody. I know it's hard to believe.

543
00:38:36,244 --> 00:38:40,724
Not everybody is like this obsessive in this world is like all of us are.

544
00:38:40,824 --> 00:38:44,124
Yeah. And like, I always kind of forget about that. And when I'm talking with

545
00:38:44,124 --> 00:38:48,744
like people at work or whatever, and they're like, oh, I've only seen like the first two or something.

546
00:38:48,744 --> 00:38:53,264
Thing or like i remember loving those and i haven't seen any of the others so i feel like,

547
00:38:53,864 --> 00:38:57,504
you know if you're if you would have put this in a theater i don't

548
00:38:57,504 --> 00:38:59,984
think it would have succeeded because there's a lot of people who had been like

549
00:38:59,984 --> 00:39:03,784
i don't understand where this fits i don't know all these other films or they'd

550
00:39:03,784 --> 00:39:08,684
go and see it and be like what i don't understand what's happening last i saw

551
00:39:08,684 --> 00:39:11,904
it was like at a house and it was filmed i think it's just a lot to ask the

552
00:39:11,904 --> 00:39:13,924
public In a theatrical setting.

553
00:39:14,164 --> 00:39:18,524
Because not everybody has seen all the previous films.

554
00:39:19,364 --> 00:39:22,424
People have lives to live. I know, for real.

555
00:39:22,784 --> 00:39:26,144
Whereas, you know, something like Scream or something, and that's why it's important

556
00:39:26,144 --> 00:39:30,084
for them to reinvent it, but also have something so iconically familiar in all

557
00:39:30,084 --> 00:39:31,624
of them as like a ghost face or something.

558
00:39:31,904 --> 00:39:35,644
And unfortunately, all Paranormal Activity has is Katie and doesn't have quite

559
00:39:35,644 --> 00:39:37,464
the same allure as like ghost face.

560
00:39:37,464 --> 00:39:40,884
Yeah it's probably the most iconic thing is

561
00:39:40,884 --> 00:39:43,724
the screen that just says what night

562
00:39:43,724 --> 00:39:47,564
it is and the time stamp like that's really what people

563
00:39:47,564 --> 00:39:50,284
remember from these movies it's like that's what

564
00:39:50,284 --> 00:39:53,784
the draw is and that they're found footage right which

565
00:39:53,784 --> 00:39:59,904
this one is i think it would have just it's like kind of adjacent yeah or at

566
00:39:59,904 --> 00:40:03,584
least would have been a hard sell i think yeah i don't i don't think it would

567
00:40:03,584 --> 00:40:06,764
have done well in theaters i probably would have been more upset if i saw this

568
00:40:06,764 --> 00:40:10,664
in theaters that came out and I'd be like, now I'll have to listen to the episode.

569
00:40:10,744 --> 00:40:15,524
I haven't listened to it yet, but I'll have to hear Mike's full theory on trying

570
00:40:15,524 --> 00:40:22,224
to explain why this is a bad found footage movie and again, why it's down here.

571
00:40:22,344 --> 00:40:26,804
So maybe it might move up. Maybe it might gain half a star after I hear your full theory.

572
00:40:26,984 --> 00:40:31,864
Well, that episode, we're recording this ahead of the episode posting on Monday,

573
00:40:31,984 --> 00:40:34,624
so you'll be able to hear it in just a couple days.

574
00:40:34,624 --> 00:40:37,424
Days but i'm going to have you intro our next one here in

575
00:40:37,424 --> 00:40:40,364
a moment devon i'll just say that our next two number part

576
00:40:40,364 --> 00:40:43,404
our fourth and our third entries tied

577
00:40:43,404 --> 00:40:47,444
and the tiebreaker was basically where like

578
00:40:47,444 --> 00:40:52,364
what got more votes like what came out higher in the rankings and like a half

579
00:40:52,364 --> 00:40:57,684
a point in the rankings basically separated them so devon like this was like

580
00:40:57,684 --> 00:41:02,184
your you had it ranked higher than anybody else so do you want to introduce

581
00:41:02,184 --> 00:41:05,024
what you had is our number four pick.

582
00:41:05,778 --> 00:41:09,798
Yeah, my heart's a little broken seeing this one smack dab in the middle.

583
00:41:09,818 --> 00:41:16,518
But my second favorite of the franchise is Paranormal Activity Marked Ones, a.k.a.

584
00:41:16,958 --> 00:41:23,638
Spooky Chronicle. You know, like, I love that. I love that movie.

585
00:41:23,818 --> 00:41:29,938
It was my favorite episode to record, besides maybe the one for PA3.

586
00:41:30,258 --> 00:41:33,458
But yeah, I really like Marked Ones. I think it's great.

587
00:41:33,458 --> 00:41:38,938
I think if again if you swap the order of the series and this was like the fourth

588
00:41:38,938 --> 00:41:43,058
movie released I think people kind of would have been hooked in a little bit

589
00:41:43,058 --> 00:41:44,998
more I think it might have done.

590
00:41:45,478 --> 00:41:49,358
Better at the box office as well because this

591
00:41:49,358 --> 00:41:52,318
is also kind of one of the lower earning ones but yeah

592
00:41:52,318 --> 00:41:55,218
I really love everything that it does for the most part

593
00:41:55,218 --> 00:41:58,178
like yeah the finale is a little messy but I think

594
00:41:58,178 --> 00:42:01,318
this has one of the best ensembles as far as like you

595
00:42:01,318 --> 00:42:04,138
know people that are actually friends and family and

596
00:42:04,138 --> 00:42:07,038
like it like feels very familial in

597
00:42:07,038 --> 00:42:09,998
that way and then like kind of merging this

598
00:42:09,998 --> 00:42:14,798
like coming of age story into the the the possession but then the possession

599
00:42:14,798 --> 00:42:18,478
is like also like kind of like a disease as well and then the way that they

600
00:42:18,478 --> 00:42:24,058
tie in we get to see homegirl from pa2 make a cameo appearance to explain the

601
00:42:24,058 --> 00:42:28,358
and that's when the midwives are actually named is in is in the marked ones.

602
00:42:28,598 --> 00:42:33,918
But yeah, I really like the marked ones. Hector, I think, is my favorite supporting

603
00:42:33,918 --> 00:42:35,838
character of the entire series.

604
00:42:36,018 --> 00:42:43,858
He is so funny. He's got his boys back. And I and we get midwives getting shotgun blasted in the chest.

605
00:42:44,058 --> 00:42:49,718
I mean, that's so fun, you know, like, so I really like marked ones and kind

606
00:42:49,718 --> 00:42:54,838
of what it was doing as a, you know, a nice sidequel that ties its way back in.

607
00:42:55,658 --> 00:43:00,938
Yeah, that was a fun episode to record. And that made me appreciate the movie a little more too.

608
00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:06,218
Like I think a lot of handheld action with that movie. It just feels a lot different.

609
00:43:06,358 --> 00:43:08,978
It feels a lot more kinetic. There's a lot more energy.

610
00:43:09,638 --> 00:43:14,158
It's the first movie where the threat feels like it could spread into the community

611
00:43:14,158 --> 00:43:19,598
as opposed to just be tied to like a singular family. So it actually feels like

612
00:43:19,598 --> 00:43:24,378
it's a much more dangerous threat than in any of the other movies.

613
00:43:24,678 --> 00:43:30,718
And it's also one where a lot of people that are like unassuming or unaware are going to be tied in.

614
00:43:30,798 --> 00:43:37,078
And I like that they refer to it more as like a cousin of the original series

615
00:43:37,078 --> 00:43:39,218
of films. And you get that.

616
00:43:40,184 --> 00:43:43,604
Something that is tied into it and you get an expansion of

617
00:43:43,604 --> 00:43:47,004
the lore without having it until those unfortunate last

618
00:43:47,004 --> 00:43:52,024
few minutes without having it feeling like it's too too tied in in like a half-baked

619
00:43:52,024 --> 00:43:57,564
way like the idea that like all of these women are turning over their firstborn

620
00:43:57,564 --> 00:44:02,604
sons over to this midwife organization is like a really chilling reveal and

621
00:44:02,604 --> 00:44:05,684
really cool And like you said, Hector is a great character.

622
00:44:06,044 --> 00:44:12,204
Some of the going from things like the Xbox Kinect, which at the time was like

623
00:44:12,204 --> 00:44:14,724
a pretty expensive gadget and a high-end gadget,

624
00:44:14,904 --> 00:44:20,664
going from that and scaling it all the way back to like using like the Simon

625
00:44:20,664 --> 00:44:23,104
Children's toy, which is a pretty inexpensive. expensive.

626
00:44:23,604 --> 00:44:28,184
It's kind of like a nice indicator of like, where is the class and the socioeconomic

627
00:44:28,184 --> 00:44:32,904
factors that tie these like different families in with one another,

628
00:44:33,084 --> 00:44:38,624
but also like using that game in a way that is like super creepy as well.

629
00:44:38,884 --> 00:44:42,384
I really liked this one a lot. Like I had this like kind of in the middle,

630
00:44:42,424 --> 00:44:46,684
but only because like, I really liked the first few movies like so much.

631
00:44:46,684 --> 00:44:52,184
This is a really strong entry until you get the time travel back to 1997.

632
00:44:53,764 --> 00:44:56,864
Yeah. There's so much that I like about this.

633
00:44:56,924 --> 00:45:01,724
I like how a new setting gets it out of kind of like that suburban neighborhood

634
00:45:01,724 --> 00:45:03,604
area and kind of presents this,

635
00:45:03,724 --> 00:45:06,824
like you were saying, presents the story in a different part of the world,

636
00:45:06,884 --> 00:45:12,244
which expands the world and makes it more threatening in a lot of ways and puts

637
00:45:12,244 --> 00:45:16,304
it in some different contexts and in different religions and different communities.

638
00:45:16,564 --> 00:45:20,684
And I really thought that was such a smart move. It reminds me a lot of Like

639
00:45:20,684 --> 00:45:23,224
when we were talking about like the Purge franchise,

640
00:45:23,564 --> 00:45:28,164
they did that as well and just kind of makes the world feel bigger and more

641
00:45:28,164 --> 00:45:31,904
real in a lot of ways, more threatening, like how it can infiltrate different

642
00:45:31,904 --> 00:45:33,864
communities and in different ways.

643
00:45:35,341 --> 00:45:41,781
And I really liked this cast. And I think part of why it's kind of in the middle

644
00:45:41,781 --> 00:45:45,001
is that ultimately it is a little bit less scary than some of the other ones

645
00:45:45,001 --> 00:45:46,501
that we're going to talk about.

646
00:45:46,561 --> 00:45:53,081
And the superpowers thing, I have mixed feelings about that. The time travel?

647
00:45:53,721 --> 00:45:58,181
Well, and just like what they're doing with their powers a little bit. It's like, okay.

648
00:45:58,421 --> 00:46:03,661
Like it made me roll my eyes a little bit with like that's how that worked.

649
00:46:03,661 --> 00:46:06,501
Worked but I think I've you

650
00:46:06,501 --> 00:46:09,361
know as I've seen it a couple times I've softened on that

651
00:46:09,361 --> 00:46:12,081
but the first time I saw it it felt like it felt like a little

652
00:46:12,081 --> 00:46:15,621
jarring to be honest to go from like what

653
00:46:15,621 --> 00:46:18,501
we get in the previous four to that it felt

654
00:46:18,501 --> 00:46:22,261
like a like almost too big a jump um but

655
00:46:22,261 --> 00:46:25,781
that doesn't you know I feel like I have softened on that a little as time has

656
00:46:25,781 --> 00:46:29,241
gone on because I do think that's what they needed to do and I agree I think

657
00:46:29,241 --> 00:46:32,461
it's interesting to think about it as like it should It should have been flipped

658
00:46:32,461 --> 00:46:36,961
because you think of like how often in a franchise like those part fours are

659
00:46:36,961 --> 00:46:38,821
so important to kind of like,

660
00:46:38,901 --> 00:46:41,281
okay, what are we moving into?

661
00:46:41,701 --> 00:46:45,201
Yeah. And that's what this feels like is like a new direction.

662
00:46:45,561 --> 00:46:50,461
And so it's kind of unfortunate that, yeah, just this franchise feels like there's

663
00:46:50,461 --> 00:46:53,561
some things that are just a little like they didn't quite plan out,

664
00:46:53,621 --> 00:46:57,621
you know, like everybody gives Marvel shit for planning out the next 10 years.

665
00:46:57,621 --> 00:47:00,761
But it's like maybe this franchise could have used a little bit more planning

666
00:47:00,761 --> 00:47:04,181
as far as like what and where they were going with that kind of stuff.

667
00:47:04,241 --> 00:47:07,021
Because it does feel like just a little, just a little too late.

668
00:47:07,701 --> 00:47:12,821
Especially because the first three feel like such a neat and tidy story.

669
00:47:13,481 --> 00:47:17,521
When you take the three of them together, it does feel like such a compact little

670
00:47:17,521 --> 00:47:20,641
story that ties everything in pretty closely.

671
00:47:21,201 --> 00:47:25,101
And then the fourth movie feels just kind of tacked on.

672
00:47:26,016 --> 00:47:29,536
In a way that like, I don't really need it. Like it introduces a bunch of questions

673
00:47:29,536 --> 00:47:35,696
that it doesn't really have any intention of answering, where if you put this in between,

674
00:47:36,316 --> 00:47:42,296
part three and part four, you can go in a lot of different directions at that point.

675
00:47:42,336 --> 00:47:47,436
And like you said, branch things off and say like, okay, now we're going to

676
00:47:47,436 --> 00:47:51,816
go like to use the Marvel parlance, like the next phase of what we're going to do.

677
00:47:52,436 --> 00:47:59,056
Yeah, I pretty much completely agree. I I I've also like softened on it and

678
00:47:59,056 --> 00:48:02,496
listening to the episode on it did make me appreciate this movie more.

679
00:48:02,736 --> 00:48:06,736
It's kind of in the middle for me and like the middle of my rankings are kind

680
00:48:06,736 --> 00:48:09,836
of like not too far apart from one another.

681
00:48:09,916 --> 00:48:13,856
As usual for my rankings, like the top and the bottom are really strong and

682
00:48:13,856 --> 00:48:16,316
everything in the middle. I'm like, I pretty much enjoy you.

683
00:48:16,536 --> 00:48:19,636
So I don't have a ton of strong feelings on The Marked Ones.

684
00:48:20,116 --> 00:48:23,856
I do like it. I do think it probably would have been a good fourth movie,

685
00:48:23,996 --> 00:48:27,536
but not a lot of hard-hitting takes from me on this one.

686
00:48:29,016 --> 00:48:34,156
I will say, I stressed it in the episode, this one, because obviously every

687
00:48:34,156 --> 00:48:38,496
movie, or almost every movie in the series has extended cuts.

688
00:48:38,756 --> 00:48:42,976
Marked Ones has the biggest additional stuff to it.

689
00:48:43,116 --> 00:48:46,556
It's, I think, almost 15 more minutes, if I remember correctly.

690
00:48:46,556 --> 00:48:49,836
So like you know as especially the

691
00:48:49,836 --> 00:48:52,876
door the extended cut for marked ones i think makes it

692
00:48:52,876 --> 00:48:55,796
pretty strong and yeah it was very

693
00:48:55,796 --> 00:48:58,956
it was pretty much almost tied with the next

694
00:48:58,956 --> 00:49:03,236
film that we'll talk about and a lot of those additional scenes

695
00:49:03,236 --> 00:49:06,316
were more about like strengthening the bond between

696
00:49:06,316 --> 00:49:09,356
the two friends and building that world

697
00:49:09,356 --> 00:49:12,616
out and building that community out like there's like

698
00:49:12,616 --> 00:49:15,336
the taco truck scene where they you know

699
00:49:15,336 --> 00:49:18,296
there's no reason to be there except for the right they're just

700
00:49:18,296 --> 00:49:21,076
you know i love that scene it's it's just fun

701
00:49:21,076 --> 00:49:24,156
to make someone eat like a super hot taco and

702
00:49:24,156 --> 00:49:27,096
watch them kind of like vomit because it's

703
00:49:27,096 --> 00:49:32,076
way too hot for them to eat it's stuff like that and the extended takes like

704
00:49:32,076 --> 00:49:35,376
that i think there's some additional there's like an additional scene with a

705
00:49:35,376 --> 00:49:40,576
dad i think at one point as well so yeah and i think because it's because Because

706
00:49:40,576 --> 00:49:44,156
it's like the first movie where you're not in,

707
00:49:44,276 --> 00:49:48,376
you know, like a suburban home with like a typical like white person family

708
00:49:48,376 --> 00:49:49,736
in the suburb somewhere.

709
00:49:49,976 --> 00:49:54,676
It's kind of nice to see more to spend more time within this community,

710
00:49:54,776 --> 00:49:58,516
I think, as well. And you get more of that vibe and that feel as well.

711
00:49:59,747 --> 00:50:03,207
Rachel, why don't you introduce, and getting into our top three,

712
00:50:03,427 --> 00:50:05,707
why don't you introduce what came in here?

713
00:50:06,027 --> 00:50:11,807
Yeah, so coming in in third place is, from Elkley, part two.

714
00:50:13,027 --> 00:50:19,727
And part two, part two. I had this much lower on my list, just to be fully transparent.

715
00:50:19,927 --> 00:50:25,107
This came in at five for me, just because, I don't know, I was just a little

716
00:50:25,107 --> 00:50:26,667
underwhelmed with where it went.

717
00:50:26,667 --> 00:50:29,527
And as like the i just

718
00:50:29,527 --> 00:50:33,087
felt like it was retreading some things didn't

719
00:50:33,087 --> 00:50:36,367
and yeah i guess but i similarly i don't

720
00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:39,007
hate it i just wasn't as impressed with it

721
00:50:39,007 --> 00:50:42,227
especially coming off the first one that was just like so mind-blowing and

722
00:50:42,227 --> 00:50:45,227
then in the second one it felt like oh okay we're just

723
00:50:45,227 --> 00:50:47,987
we're just doing this again okay we're still with

724
00:50:47,987 --> 00:50:50,927
these people we're still in this world we're still dealing with like some similar

725
00:50:50,927 --> 00:50:53,847
things so i i don't

726
00:50:53,847 --> 00:50:56,667
have yeah i guess i don't have a lot of like ariel was

727
00:50:56,667 --> 00:50:59,727
saying i don't have a lot of strong feelings either way it's fine

728
00:50:59,727 --> 00:51:03,367
for me but i did not have it as high so i would love to hear from somebody who

729
00:51:03,367 --> 00:51:07,467
likes this one a lot more and like what you guys enjoyed about it i guess i

730
00:51:07,467 --> 00:51:12,127
always had this one and this one tied the marked ones in terms of points but

731
00:51:12,127 --> 00:51:17,347
it just came out a little bit ahead in terms of like where it ranked where

732
00:51:17,547 --> 00:51:25,247
it came out like 3.5 compared to four in terms of like average ranking um.

733
00:51:26,507 --> 00:51:32,607
And i would have always had it lower i had it second this time around on my ranking.

734
00:51:34,147 --> 00:51:38,007
Are you guys getting any background noise from my microphone are you hearing

735
00:51:38,007 --> 00:51:43,607
anything no no okay i just have people doing yard work outside and it's like

736
00:51:43,607 --> 00:51:46,287
right under here so So it's not picking it up good.

737
00:51:47,127 --> 00:51:51,647
I normally would have had this ranked a lot lower until like rewatching all

738
00:51:51,647 --> 00:51:52,847
these movies for the series.

739
00:51:52,967 --> 00:51:57,107
And I definitely agree with you, Rachel, that like it's like doing a lot of

740
00:51:57,107 --> 00:51:58,427
things the first movie does.

741
00:51:58,647 --> 00:52:01,527
I think what I did is like this time around I watched it saying,

742
00:52:01,587 --> 00:52:05,327
yep, it's definitely doing a lot of the things the first movie does.

743
00:52:05,407 --> 00:52:06,887
But I just think it does them a lot better.

744
00:52:07,047 --> 00:52:11,767
Yeah. I think that like rewatching the first movie for the series.

745
00:52:11,767 --> 00:52:16,447
I'm like, there's a reason why like Oren Peli didn't go on to make like a lot

746
00:52:16,447 --> 00:52:21,067
of movies after paranormal activity that he's kind of like, much more behind

747
00:52:21,067 --> 00:52:25,747
the scenes, like writing checks and doing like more of a producer's role.

748
00:52:25,827 --> 00:52:30,307
Like he's fine, like getting giving people their start. He's not really a filmmaker.

749
00:52:31,363 --> 00:52:34,723
A lot of paranormal activity, like the acting is really clunky.

750
00:52:35,183 --> 00:52:39,543
The way it's framed is kind of clunky. The pacing can be really clunky at times.

751
00:52:39,723 --> 00:52:43,723
The things that work, like work really, really well. And there's a reason why

752
00:52:43,723 --> 00:52:47,343
I think we hold that film in such high regard.

753
00:52:47,583 --> 00:52:52,163
Like it was a great shot in the arm. But I think like the addition of the security

754
00:52:52,163 --> 00:52:56,443
cameras all around the house, like it gives it a lot different feel.

755
00:52:56,563 --> 00:52:59,363
You can capture a lot more. uh i think

756
00:52:59,363 --> 00:53:02,343
like having it be a child and a dog that are

757
00:53:02,343 --> 00:53:05,383
the center of attention this time around like

758
00:53:05,383 --> 00:53:08,543
they're the two characters in danger yeah that's

759
00:53:08,543 --> 00:53:12,463
what they know get people like invested i i'm

760
00:53:12,463 --> 00:53:17,423
worried much more about abby the dog being put in danger than i am about mika

761
00:53:17,423 --> 00:53:22,603
you know what i mean at the end of the day yes um and i think that like the

762
00:53:22,603 --> 00:53:28,143
i think i can't i think it's grayson is her name the performer who plays christy

763
00:53:28,143 --> 00:53:30,963
is like ultimately like a much stronger protagonist.

764
00:53:31,823 --> 00:53:34,803
And sells the danger and i think like

765
00:53:34,803 --> 00:53:38,423
ally is a much stronger like secondary character

766
00:53:38,423 --> 00:53:42,583
than what you're finding in like the first couple movies and the scares that

767
00:53:42,583 --> 00:53:48,263
are there are a lot stronger and then also finding out oh it's a prequel like

768
00:53:48,263 --> 00:53:52,283
kind of blew my mind like not just getting a sequel kind of blew my mind so

769
00:53:52,283 --> 00:53:57,243
this time around i'm like i actually like the second movie and that stupid,

770
00:53:57,763 --> 00:54:04,223
fucking pool camera and that pool cleaner thing like it got me plus you get

771
00:54:04,223 --> 00:54:09,183
the burger king i mean who doesn't love the burger king oh yeah i mean debatably

772
00:54:09,183 --> 00:54:13,683
the shitty even shittier than mika i think probably the shittiest man in this

773
00:54:13,683 --> 00:54:17,643
entire series uh i like to quite a bit um it was like.

774
00:54:18,454 --> 00:54:21,134
Just a little bit behind marked ones but i still have it at

775
00:54:21,134 --> 00:54:24,054
number three uh because again pretty much for a

776
00:54:24,054 --> 00:54:26,894
lot of the reasons that mike says like it's a you know it

777
00:54:26,894 --> 00:54:30,074
soups up what you know worked in one a little

778
00:54:30,074 --> 00:54:33,214
bit more have some actual filmmaking behind it

779
00:54:33,214 --> 00:54:35,894
very you know and it has a lot

780
00:54:35,894 --> 00:54:38,854
of great scares this is the other one that i like

781
00:54:38,854 --> 00:54:41,714
again like the extended cut like really makes a

782
00:54:41,714 --> 00:54:44,554
difference in this one because two if you only watch the

783
00:54:44,554 --> 00:54:47,954
theatrical version it cuts like half the like best scares well

784
00:54:47,954 --> 00:54:50,874
see maybe that's what i did like maybe i need to watch

785
00:54:50,874 --> 00:54:53,634
the extended yeah from mike the the

786
00:54:53,634 --> 00:54:56,494
little details button on hbo if you're if you're streaming

787
00:54:56,494 --> 00:54:59,294
it you can get to the extended cuts but yeah

788
00:54:59,294 --> 00:55:02,274
uh yeah because i really like uh i really like the scares i really like

789
00:55:02,274 --> 00:55:05,254
i really like ally i think she's a a really great

790
00:55:05,254 --> 00:55:08,134
secondary i mean she pretty much becomes the main character

791
00:55:08,134 --> 00:55:10,974
in the in the third act of this and uh

792
00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:14,194
and again yeah wrapping it around secret prequel or

793
00:55:14,194 --> 00:55:17,114
like it's like sidequel i mean it technically is a prequel but

794
00:55:17,114 --> 00:55:19,954
then it catches up and then goes past the other the first

795
00:55:19,954 --> 00:55:23,114
film i think that was a fantastic i think uh it

796
00:55:23,114 --> 00:55:26,174
gets it deserves a lot of credit for again

797
00:55:26,174 --> 00:55:29,274
being able to like take only the few like little nuggets

798
00:55:29,274 --> 00:55:34,014
of lore from the first one and really like you know kick-starting us to like

799
00:55:34,014 --> 00:55:38,914
get going you know so yeah i have this one sitting at three on my list i love

800
00:55:38,914 --> 00:55:44,134
what this movie does for the lore of the franchise and the things it sets up

801
00:55:44,134 --> 00:55:48,154
and the way it takes little threads that it could from the first movie.

802
00:55:48,374 --> 00:55:52,554
I had this ranked fourth. I just don't find it that enjoyable to watch.

803
00:55:53,394 --> 00:55:56,274
I like where it goes. I like what it's doing.

804
00:55:56,434 --> 00:56:01,614
But as a movie, I'm rarely like, oh, I want to sit down and watch Paranormal Activity 2.

805
00:56:01,954 --> 00:56:04,254
Maybe it's the pool cleaner footage.

806
00:56:04,974 --> 00:56:10,314
I don't know. It just it drags a little bit for me. But I appreciate the story.

807
00:56:11,414 --> 00:56:14,854
Yeah, this is the one that you owe the lore to. Like, this is the one that it

808
00:56:14,854 --> 00:56:17,214
really expands everything out.

809
00:56:17,254 --> 00:56:22,394
It's when you start introducing all of it and setting up everything you're going

810
00:56:22,394 --> 00:56:27,814
to see in the sequels. Or the first movie is really one of the great, like, one-and-dones.

811
00:56:28,154 --> 00:56:31,594
Like, you could just have that movie and be done and have a really complete

812
00:56:31,594 --> 00:56:36,234
story and feel like you got everything. Mm-hmm.

813
00:56:37,305 --> 00:56:42,165
Yeah, and Daniel is one of the all-time shittiest characters. But we love to hate him.

814
00:56:42,645 --> 00:56:45,685
Yeah. I don't think he was quite as bad as Mika.

815
00:56:45,765 --> 00:56:50,245
I think I was a little bit more in his side than others when it came to Mika

816
00:56:50,245 --> 00:56:53,325
when we did that episode, if I remember correctly.

817
00:56:54,125 --> 00:56:58,505
But he did, you know, sacrifice his sister-in-law to demons.

818
00:56:58,745 --> 00:57:03,765
So I guess that would be a mark in the negative column, I guess.

819
00:57:03,765 --> 00:57:05,305
It was an asshole to Martine.

820
00:57:05,705 --> 00:57:07,765
Justice for Martine. Justice for Martine.

821
00:57:08,325 --> 00:57:13,585
Who just, you know, didn't want anyone getting handsy-handsy with his daughter, you know? Fair.

822
00:57:14,145 --> 00:57:16,405
He did give us the phrase, stencilata.

823
00:57:17,945 --> 00:57:21,425
I don't know. Yeah, that's also a negative. You can have it back.

824
00:57:21,425 --> 00:57:22,765
I don't think we need that one.

825
00:57:23,145 --> 00:57:27,385
All right, we don't need that one either. So, can't think of anything positive.

826
00:57:27,725 --> 00:57:32,225
He did have that. It was in the extended cut, the, like, kicking out her boyfriend

827
00:57:32,225 --> 00:57:36,445
at one in the morning. when he pulls the angry dad move.

828
00:57:37,085 --> 00:57:40,485
He's like, get the fuck out of here. Just his one good move.

829
00:57:41,085 --> 00:57:46,485
All right, Devon, do you want to introduce our number two into the mix? What came in second?

830
00:57:46,985 --> 00:57:51,465
We're down to the final two here. I'm going to, that's the weakest drum roll

831
00:57:51,465 --> 00:57:53,525
ever, but that's all right. I have no rhythm.

832
00:57:53,925 --> 00:57:57,265
Oh, I thought I was like pausing for a lawnmower. I was like, wait, what's going on?

833
00:57:57,465 --> 00:58:00,365
Here at number two, and I guess the reason

834
00:58:00,365 --> 00:58:03,045
that it's probably here might be because of me because i have this

835
00:58:03,045 --> 00:58:06,245
a little lower on my list coming in at number two is the

836
00:58:06,245 --> 00:58:09,265
og paranormal activity you know

837
00:58:09,265 --> 00:58:12,025
the thing kicked everything off i have it

838
00:58:12,025 --> 00:58:15,985
at four on my same my list same because

839
00:58:15,985 --> 00:58:18,845
really do you guys i know i think

840
00:58:18,845 --> 00:58:24,085
it is a second i think it is fine okay it's fine like it's a it's a it's you

841
00:58:24,085 --> 00:58:27,685
know like it's a it's a you know if you're just like kind of ah like you know

842
00:58:27,685 --> 00:58:32,045
nothing like kind of doing anything i can throw it on and just like kind It's

843
00:58:32,045 --> 00:58:36,345
like the chill hangout movie of the franchise, honestly.

844
00:58:37,450 --> 00:58:40,150
And but it's just it's a little too small for me.

845
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:44,530
It's a little too minimal, you know, like because like you like really have

846
00:58:44,530 --> 00:58:49,790
to be like watching this at like 2 a.m. with absolutely no other sounds to like

847
00:58:49,790 --> 00:58:53,810
really get like the full creep factor of this. Yeah. I had an interesting idea.

848
00:58:54,330 --> 00:58:59,010
It would I think the first paranormal activity could be a stage play.

849
00:59:00,170 --> 00:59:02,890
Oh, I would go see it. i think it

850
00:59:02,890 --> 00:59:06,010
would be better on the stage than a than a

851
00:59:06,010 --> 00:59:08,910
found footage film because like you really only need like three sets

852
00:59:08,910 --> 00:59:14,490
most of it can be in bed even like you know like it could be a whole thing that'd

853
00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:17,590
be really fun i'm gonna put that in my backpack yeah i would i would go see

854
00:59:17,590 --> 00:59:21,950
it but yeah because i think it is like this like very kind of simple like even

855
00:59:21,950 --> 00:59:27,830
more character drama more than a possession film you know this is the character drama haunted house.

856
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:30,590
Film of the series, I think it's fine.

857
00:59:30,690 --> 00:59:34,410
I'm glad that it was made, so that way the franchise could be a thing.

858
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:38,130
But, you know, yeah, it's right in the middle of my list.

859
00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:42,530
Yeah, I had it at four as well, and I think that's only because I like the others,

860
00:59:42,990 --> 00:59:47,550
a bit more, not because I think it's like a middle-of-the-road movie.

861
00:59:47,790 --> 00:59:50,470
It's just because they're a fraction behind.

862
00:59:50,810 --> 00:59:54,230
And I think for the reasons I said when I put part two higher,

863
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:57,690
It's a little bit slower. The acting's a little bit clunkier.

864
00:59:58,330 --> 01:00:03,090
Now, all of that said, you need this movie to get the others made.

865
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:05,050
It was a real shot in the arm.

866
01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:11,570
And I do appreciate when we talked about how this was made, Oren Peli just kind

867
01:00:11,570 --> 01:00:17,070
of going through the DVD bonus features and watching how movies got made and

868
01:00:17,070 --> 01:00:19,990
taking notes and being like, man, I think I can do this.

869
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:23,190
And then creating like one of the most successful

870
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:26,550
series of horror films

871
01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:29,370
of all time just based on a whim

872
01:00:29,370 --> 01:00:32,030
just like i wonder if i could do something like this in my

873
01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:34,670
own house i also like when we

874
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:37,410
were talking about this movie how a lot of the

875
01:00:37,410 --> 01:00:42,150
discussion about it is about crass consumerism and like the demon is actually

876
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:46,890
capitalism and like all of those critiques like what you're critiquing is the

877
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:51,090
director's own house because that's where it was filmed and i just that really

878
01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:55,510
tickles me like it's like no man this is just where i live it's just my own shit.

879
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,980
Yeah, I think for me, some of the things that I love about it are also the things

880
01:01:00,980 --> 01:01:03,540
that are marks against it in a lot of ways.

881
01:01:03,740 --> 01:01:07,380
I love how authentic it is and how it does feel, like you were saying,

882
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:11,400
very raw, like they're just making a movie, they're trying, they're just trying their hand at it.

883
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:17,060
And so it feels very fresh. And that's part of, I think, why it was such a hit,

884
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,760
because it was such a fresh, stripped down, basic, authentic kind of presentation,

885
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,620
simple idea executed decently.

886
01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:29,900
At the same time, though, I think some of that was like almost a little too authentic.

887
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:34,780
You know, it's a little clunky. The characters are a little forced, a little fake.

888
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,480
You know, the acting is not super incredible or believable because they're not

889
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,660
super great actors, which is fine.

890
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:45,120
And that's, you know, it's a knife that cuts both ways, I think.

891
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:51,080
So that's why I personally have it at number two, because I just I just remember

892
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,660
like seeing this around that general time period and just how,

893
01:01:54,860 --> 01:01:56,980
you know, similar to like Blair Witch.

894
01:01:57,100 --> 01:02:01,740
It's just one of those movies that I saw a lot of things around this time period

895
01:02:01,740 --> 01:02:03,360
where it's like I'm seeing something new.

896
01:02:03,580 --> 01:02:06,860
I'm seeing something fresh. I'm seeing and that's exciting to me.

897
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:09,940
And this film was exciting because of that. Do I think it's perfect?

898
01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:15,080
No, but I appreciate the swing. I like the take on it. And like you said,

899
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:17,500
we wouldn't have gotten all these others without that.

900
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:23,980
So, you know, ultimately, I have to have it at the, you know, towards the top.

901
01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:29,240
But there is one that squeaked out being the one that I would prefer to watch

902
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,720
again, especially if I wanted to watch something that actually scared me,

903
01:02:32,740 --> 01:02:33,760
that actually creeped me out.

904
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:41,020
I think too this is the further I get away from this movie maybe the it's hard to.

905
01:02:42,698 --> 01:02:46,678
Sometimes it's hard to recreate that feeling of something when you first see it.

906
01:02:46,878 --> 01:02:51,698
Cause I remember like the first time I watched this movie in a crowded theater,

907
01:02:51,818 --> 01:02:56,198
like in the weeks before it got like the national release, like coming home

908
01:02:56,198 --> 01:03:02,298
and being like absolutely terrified of a movie, maybe for the first time since

909
01:03:02,298 --> 01:03:04,838
I had seen like the Blair witch project in theaters,

910
01:03:04,958 --> 01:03:07,778
like having like that kind of experience again.

911
01:03:07,818 --> 01:03:12,418
And as horror fans, I think that's a feeling that we're constantly chasing.

912
01:03:12,778 --> 01:03:18,498
And the irony is like the more horror that we consume, the more we get kind

913
01:03:18,498 --> 01:03:22,718
of inured to it and the harder it is to replicate that feeling.

914
01:03:23,058 --> 01:03:29,498
So the further I get away from this movie, the harder it is to remember what it was like to see it.

915
01:03:29,538 --> 01:03:32,538
And maybe that's why it slips down my rankings a bit.

916
01:03:32,538 --> 01:03:35,318
It and it's also i think it's fair

917
01:03:35,318 --> 01:03:38,438
to say that this movie gets held to

918
01:03:38,438 --> 01:03:41,858
account for things that came at this this movie is partly

919
01:03:41,858 --> 01:03:48,498
responsible for saw ending right i mean it came out it was did so well successfully

920
01:03:48,498 --> 01:03:54,238
that it ate into a huge chunk of like what saw typically did at theaters and

921
01:03:54,238 --> 01:04:00,578
i would say it also kind of came out at the tail end of the remake race like in 20 not 2009 2009,

922
01:04:00,678 --> 01:04:03,218
you had Halloween 2,

923
01:04:03,438 --> 01:04:07,138
you had the Friday the 13th remake, you had My Bloody Valentine.

924
01:04:07,518 --> 01:04:10,618
Last House on the Left. Last House on the Left.

925
01:04:10,758 --> 01:04:16,138
After this movie hits, I think you had basically the Elm Street remake in 2010,

926
01:04:16,438 --> 01:04:22,978
and that feels like the last real big remake, and that craze kind of died out

927
01:04:22,978 --> 01:04:25,738
as well. So you have these two trends that...

928
01:04:26,512 --> 01:04:31,092
Had kind of run their course for better or worse. And then this kickstarts two

929
01:04:31,092 --> 01:04:35,592
things, like many more found footage movies, like The Last Exorcism,

930
01:04:36,312 --> 01:04:41,572
which on the better side, The Devil Inside for the worse, movies like Unfriended.

931
01:04:41,832 --> 01:04:45,952
And you see that to this day, like you've got this huge glut of found footage

932
01:04:45,952 --> 01:04:51,652
movies, some that are great, some not so, but also like more paranormal horror.

933
01:04:52,612 --> 01:04:56,632
Insidious comes out, The Conjuring comes out. And this is the movie that you

934
01:04:56,632 --> 01:05:02,972
can kind of like either blame or credit, depending on what your feelings are

935
01:05:02,972 --> 01:05:05,552
about this movie. So it does deserve a lot of credit.

936
01:05:06,292 --> 01:05:11,512
Well, I had this at the very top of my list. And now I feel silly because I

937
01:05:11,512 --> 01:05:14,252
was like, surely. Why would you feel silly? Because.

938
01:05:14,452 --> 01:05:18,092
Own it. Own your tape. Surely everybody realizes, you know, whatever.

939
01:05:18,412 --> 01:05:21,872
Own it. Tell us why we're wrong. No, it's not about being right or wrong.

940
01:05:21,872 --> 01:05:24,792
As you know it's always hard to

941
01:05:24,792 --> 01:05:27,712
it's always really hard for me to not

942
01:05:27,712 --> 01:05:30,512
put the first movie at the top of my rankings like we've seen that

943
01:05:30,512 --> 01:05:33,392
every time we've done a rankings episode because i just

944
01:05:33,392 --> 01:05:36,952
have a lot of reverence for whatever kicked the thing off but i

945
01:05:36,952 --> 01:05:40,872
also this is my favorite one to watch i

946
01:05:40,872 --> 01:05:44,412
think as found footage it's perfect found footage i

947
01:05:44,412 --> 01:05:47,532
think mika and katie are the perfect

948
01:05:47,532 --> 01:05:50,392
couple to watch go through this horrible thing like

949
01:05:50,392 --> 01:05:53,312
they they play that so well it scared

950
01:05:53,312 --> 01:05:56,612
me when i saw it in theaters it'll scare

951
01:05:56,612 --> 01:06:00,772
me if i watch it by myself in the dark now i think

952
01:06:00,772 --> 01:06:06,492
it uses the camera really smartly where there's a lot that we don't see and

953
01:06:06,492 --> 01:06:11,112
then when we do start to see things that it's like we put this here for you

954
01:06:11,112 --> 01:06:14,412
because this is the scary part but we can do that because it's found footage

955
01:06:14,412 --> 01:06:17,072
so yeah i just this one is the best one.

956
01:06:17,172 --> 01:06:19,992
For me yeah i thought you were to say

957
01:06:19,992 --> 01:06:26,512
mika and katie are the perfect couple end of sentence my god my god that is

958
01:06:26,512 --> 01:06:32,412
no maybe the hottest take we've ever had here no no history of perfect perfect

959
01:06:32,412 --> 01:06:39,092
toxic couple for this situation they just play it perfectly yeah what do you think it is

960
01:06:39,132 --> 01:06:42,552
about being the first movie in a series that

961
01:06:42,552 --> 01:06:46,972
makes you put it so high typically so

962
01:06:46,972 --> 01:06:52,172
a lot of my rankings are based off just my feelings and vibes and a lot of the

963
01:06:52,172 --> 01:06:56,612
times the first movie in a franchise is the one that has me yeah and so it like

964
01:06:56,612 --> 01:07:00,952
has me the most excited i remember the excitement of feeling of watching something

965
01:07:00,952 --> 01:07:04,172
new and so it's hard for me to ever like move away

966
01:07:04,312 --> 01:07:09,892
from that but okay i also this is my favorite one to watch i will re-watch it a lot.

967
01:07:11,497 --> 01:07:16,377
Mm hmm. Well, why don't you bring things home for us? Why don't you introduce

968
01:07:16,377 --> 01:07:19,897
what is the number what we had overall? Yeah.

969
01:07:20,117 --> 01:07:24,317
Ranked is like the number one movie. The Dream Warriors of the franchise.

970
01:07:24,417 --> 01:07:28,697
What I what I deemed the Dream Warriors. Paranormal Activity 3.

971
01:07:29,277 --> 01:07:32,437
Yes. So, yeah, I had this second.

972
01:07:32,477 --> 01:07:35,517
I think a lot of people probably put this at the top of their list,

973
01:07:35,617 --> 01:07:37,657
not just on this show, but like in life.

974
01:07:38,217 --> 01:07:42,057
You know, after the first and second one, giving us the lore,

975
01:07:42,217 --> 01:07:46,397
they gave us a real, you know, prequel to watch, which is great.

976
01:07:46,697 --> 01:07:50,337
It has characters we care about. It's got a poltergeist vibe.

977
01:07:50,657 --> 01:07:54,377
It's using different tech. Like, it gives us something fresh,

978
01:07:54,577 --> 01:07:59,757
but also makes enough sense that it fits into the franchise. It's actually scary.

979
01:08:00,517 --> 01:08:03,357
It does a lot that is really great.

980
01:08:03,357 --> 01:08:06,397
Great yeah stepdaddy dennis yeah

981
01:08:06,397 --> 01:08:10,097
we did it we did it this one's for you bud because he

982
01:08:10,097 --> 01:08:13,357
is he's the best man of the entire franchise that's true

983
01:08:13,357 --> 01:08:16,437
uh this uh this movie it it has the juice like this

984
01:08:16,437 --> 01:08:19,877
is it's got all the spooky vibes it's got great scares we

985
01:08:19,877 --> 01:08:22,537
get great character work with uh not only dennis but then

986
01:08:22,537 --> 01:08:26,097
young version of katie and christy arguably better

987
01:08:26,097 --> 01:08:29,797
actors than the adult counterparts honestly but

988
01:08:29,797 --> 01:08:32,777
like uh this film just uh it has a great vibe to it like

989
01:08:32,777 --> 01:08:35,617
i mean we have the oscillating fan cam but you know

990
01:08:35,617 --> 01:08:38,477
we have even dennis's employee i forget what

991
01:08:38,477 --> 01:08:41,477
his name is but i love him too bass player for

992
01:08:41,477 --> 01:08:45,897
the strokes is i think what he's credited randy randy

993
01:08:45,897 --> 01:08:48,657
my guy but yeah i i just really like this

994
01:08:48,657 --> 01:08:51,897
one it's a great prequel it you know introduces the right

995
01:08:51,897 --> 01:08:55,197
amount of lore to it i think it has the most fun finale

996
01:08:55,197 --> 01:08:59,577
of any of the franchise but you know this is where we like truly start getting

997
01:08:59,577 --> 01:09:05,497
like the scope of the midwives and the origin things like And I think it deserves

998
01:09:05,497 --> 01:09:10,197
a lot of credit just because prequels are so tough to do because you obviously

999
01:09:10,197 --> 01:09:14,837
know certain things that are going to happen to these characters.

1000
01:09:15,809 --> 01:09:19,449
For some reason, it just works so well. Like you still feel all the tension

1001
01:09:19,449 --> 01:09:23,109
and danger for the situation, even though we know that, you know,

1002
01:09:23,109 --> 01:09:24,209
Katie and Christy are going to be fine.

1003
01:09:24,289 --> 01:09:28,029
They make it, you know, to the end, but in still like showing like,

1004
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:29,909
oh, but here's what their true fate is.

1005
01:09:29,989 --> 01:09:32,789
Their mom died and they've been raised by their culty grandma now,

1006
01:09:32,989 --> 01:09:39,049
you know, is, is a really great, it was a fun seeing this grandma Lois's house

1007
01:09:39,049 --> 01:09:40,069
again in the marked ones.

1008
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:43,829
I forgot to mention that, but yeah, like this one, it really just has it all.

1009
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:47,169
It has, you know, genuinely scary, creepy moments.

1010
01:09:47,449 --> 01:09:50,869
It's got great laughs. It's got a great family dynamic to it.

1011
01:09:51,009 --> 01:09:53,409
Yeah. I love Paranormal Activity 3.

1012
01:09:54,129 --> 01:09:58,809
Yeah. Like for me, this has all the best traits of the first one,

1013
01:09:58,889 --> 01:10:00,929
but executed at a higher level.

1014
01:10:01,089 --> 01:10:05,349
Like it's still got that authenticity, but it's got, but it's a little bit more

1015
01:10:05,349 --> 01:10:09,509
polished and it's still got scares, but they're a little bit more well-executed.

1016
01:10:09,629 --> 01:10:13,969
A better understanding, I think, of tension and how to actually build that on screen

1017
01:10:14,189 --> 01:10:16,989
whereas you know I'm sure Peli would I mean

1018
01:10:16,989 --> 01:10:19,789
he even admit like I was just kind of learning as I went like I

1019
01:10:19,789 --> 01:10:23,009
didn't he just didn't understand it as well and I think this film

1020
01:10:23,009 --> 01:10:27,789
understands how to do that better on screen and how that plays I the characters

1021
01:10:27,789 --> 01:10:34,669
are better less problematic also better actors and it's just there's so much

1022
01:10:34,669 --> 01:10:40,929
to like about it and this one actually gets under my skin it It actually creeps me out, you know,

1023
01:10:40,989 --> 01:10:45,489
has me on the edge of my seat waiting for those things to moat,

1024
01:10:45,489 --> 01:10:47,509
like waiting for all those moments to happen.

1025
01:10:47,609 --> 01:10:52,729
And but I also think it does really add strength to the franchise to kind of

1026
01:10:52,729 --> 01:10:57,949
propel it through that next phase and that mythology into the next into the

1027
01:10:57,949 --> 01:11:01,949
next era, whether we want it or not. You know, it doesn't feel forced.

1028
01:11:02,009 --> 01:11:05,409
It's kind of just in that perfect little sweet spot. I think of this story.

1029
01:11:06,852 --> 01:11:09,872
To build on what's there, but not make it seem too excessive.

1030
01:11:10,112 --> 01:11:15,472
And yeah, I just think this is probably the one, if I wanted to be like,

1031
01:11:15,572 --> 01:11:19,592
oh, let's watch something kind of creepy, this is the one I'm going to throw on hands down.

1032
01:11:20,472 --> 01:11:26,612
Well, it's almost like Huston-Schulster took the criticisms of the first two movies to heart.

1033
01:11:26,732 --> 01:11:30,112
And maybe coming in as outsiders allows them to do that.

1034
01:11:30,112 --> 01:11:32,892
Like where yeah these movies are great they make

1035
01:11:32,892 --> 01:11:36,052
a lot of money but they're so slow and nothing happens throughout

1036
01:11:36,052 --> 01:11:39,192
most of them because this one things just tend

1037
01:11:39,192 --> 01:11:41,952
to kick off like very quickly and like

1038
01:11:41,952 --> 01:11:45,192
there's a propulsive energy that goes throughout the movie

1039
01:11:45,192 --> 01:11:48,812
you don't feel like you're watching 80 minutes

1040
01:11:48,812 --> 01:11:51,492
of setup and then five minutes of like a

1041
01:11:51,492 --> 01:11:55,232
payoff at the end of it like you're kind of like engaged throughout

1042
01:11:55,232 --> 01:11:58,112
the movie and like you all have said like that

1043
01:11:58,112 --> 01:12:01,012
oscillating fan scare is so

1044
01:12:01,012 --> 01:12:03,912
good because it just makes you have to

1045
01:12:03,912 --> 01:12:07,572
wait for a payoff and like when you see the bed

1046
01:12:07,572 --> 01:12:12,192
sheet in the like upper left hand corner and then it comes back and it's gone

1047
01:12:12,192 --> 01:12:17,412
and then you see it again it's just it's so patient and it does something that

1048
01:12:17,412 --> 01:12:22,492
i wish more movies would do And that's like trust the audience and trust the

1049
01:12:22,492 --> 01:12:24,112
audience to stay with the filmmaker.

1050
01:12:24,992 --> 01:12:30,552
And really like what it all boils down to is filmmakers would have more confidence

1051
01:12:30,552 --> 01:12:35,532
in themselves and their ability to keep the audience engaged rather than say

1052
01:12:35,532 --> 01:12:37,332
we have to spoon feed them everything.

1053
01:12:37,332 --> 01:12:42,532
And we need to spoon feed them as quickly as possible before they realize they

1054
01:12:42,532 --> 01:12:45,052
don't like the taste of what we're giving them.

1055
01:12:45,352 --> 01:12:51,452
So I think this is the best of the bunch. I think we all had it ranked as number

1056
01:12:51,452 --> 01:12:53,892
one, except for- Nothing real.

1057
01:12:54,292 --> 01:12:58,412
Okay, that's right. I'll cut that part out because it's stupid me.

1058
01:12:59,156 --> 01:13:02,976
Um, but I had this ranked my number one as well.

1059
01:13:03,196 --> 01:13:06,676
I don't love that it introduces like the golden girls coven.

1060
01:13:06,736 --> 01:13:12,156
I'm pretty much on the record of saying that like when Dennis runs and opens

1061
01:13:12,156 --> 01:13:16,556
a door and it's like three old ladies, I'm like, my friend, you're like a man

1062
01:13:16,556 --> 01:13:18,836
and it's like twenties. You're in reasonably good shape.

1063
01:13:19,336 --> 01:13:23,916
Worst case, you can juke around them, like do a little Heisman move and get around them.

1064
01:13:24,116 --> 01:13:27,396
But who's to say, but it was doing something new. Like it was,

1065
01:13:27,396 --> 01:13:30,356
yeah, it was doing the best of the previous two, but then like,

1066
01:13:30,416 --> 01:13:32,336
but here's just a little something new.

1067
01:13:32,416 --> 01:13:35,216
And I think that, you know, like it's, you know, hard looking back,

1068
01:13:35,216 --> 01:13:40,136
but at the time, you know, like looking back and seeing it, like that felt cool

1069
01:13:40,136 --> 01:13:41,696
at the time. Now we know where that goes.

1070
01:13:41,796 --> 01:13:45,616
And it's like, okay, maybe that wasn't, maybe that's not the direction we should

1071
01:13:45,616 --> 01:13:46,316
have gone, but whatever.

1072
01:13:46,316 --> 01:13:52,376
The other thing, too, is it is one of the grimmest ends to a horror movie.

1073
01:13:52,576 --> 01:13:56,916
Partly because of like everything that happened before it.

1074
01:13:57,116 --> 01:14:03,636
Because like throughout this movie, you've watched Dennis be just really sweet to these two girls.

1075
01:14:03,636 --> 01:14:07,136
Be like a real like you said like daddy stepdad

1076
01:14:07,136 --> 01:14:10,936
you know stepdaddy dennis for the wind he's

1077
01:14:10,936 --> 01:14:13,856
like so caring and loving and looks out and only

1078
01:14:13,856 --> 01:14:16,616
has their best interested at heart and like

1079
01:14:16,616 --> 01:14:20,016
not only is he disposed of in this really vicious way

1080
01:14:20,016 --> 01:14:22,956
but like christy just

1081
01:14:22,956 --> 01:14:26,076
steps around him without a care like

1082
01:14:26,076 --> 01:14:29,236
he's just discarded and they have

1083
01:14:29,236 --> 01:14:33,576
no regard for him whatsoever and it feels so cruel

1084
01:14:33,576 --> 01:14:36,736
like it's like not only a violent ending

1085
01:14:36,736 --> 01:14:42,816
it's a cruel ending and I'm usually not a fan of that but it works here breaks

1086
01:14:42,816 --> 01:14:47,756
backs and hearts at the same oh my goodness yeah it's yeah it's it's so fantastic

1087
01:14:47,756 --> 01:14:54,196
and that was my most popular tweet of this of this rewatch through yeah everybody had a lot of love.

1088
01:14:56,167 --> 01:15:00,127
Yeah. Really one of the best. And it's a rarity.

1089
01:15:00,227 --> 01:15:04,767
Like we don't get many final men in horror, right? Like it's not something.

1090
01:15:05,067 --> 01:15:08,347
And I felt like he and Julie were like a real partnership.

1091
01:15:08,507 --> 01:15:14,587
Like even when they disagreed with one another, they were like always respectful of one another.

1092
01:15:14,727 --> 01:15:17,827
They always like had one another's back. like they

1093
01:15:17,827 --> 01:15:20,707
didn't and they the conflict that came

1094
01:15:20,707 --> 01:15:23,507
was like natural from the situation they didn't give

1095
01:15:23,507 --> 01:15:28,427
like bullshit like conflict or it makes you question well why are you two even

1096
01:15:28,427 --> 01:15:35,147
a couple at this point and if you want some real fun watch the deleted scene

1097
01:15:35,147 --> 01:15:41,307
stuff where it's just dennis hiding and then like scaring julie at various points

1098
01:15:41,307 --> 01:15:43,107
and then her attacking him like

1099
01:15:43,187 --> 01:15:46,667
after he jumps out at her, like it's pretty adorable.

1100
01:15:47,067 --> 01:15:54,067
So yeah. Extended cut also has the, the, the bathroom scene with Randy is longer

1101
01:15:54,067 --> 01:15:58,207
in that one. And it's like, it's, it's a lot scarier when you watch it on the

1102
01:15:58,207 --> 01:16:00,007
extended version. Yeah.

1103
01:16:00,567 --> 01:16:07,647
So that's it. Any final thoughts before we leave this series behind us? Probably for good.

1104
01:16:07,847 --> 01:16:14,227
Cause as of right now, there's like zero scuttlebutt about any more paranormal

1105
01:16:14,227 --> 01:16:17,527
activity movie so any final thoughts.

1106
01:16:18,127 --> 01:16:22,047
Yeah i was i was thinking about that because yeah i when i saw that next to

1107
01:16:22,047 --> 01:16:27,327
ken i was like oh it was released in 2000 uh 2021 i was like what because like

1108
01:16:27,327 --> 01:16:31,967
2021 was just like kind of a year where a lot of movies got lost in the shuffle

1109
01:16:31,967 --> 01:16:35,987
because either people were just getting used to you know streaming

1110
01:16:36,087 --> 01:16:39,547
releases and not going to theaters as much and whatnot.

1111
01:16:39,727 --> 01:16:43,587
So it's like, it's odd that, you know, it just like kind of flew under the radar.

1112
01:16:43,707 --> 01:16:48,167
So, you know, I would, I would take a paranormal activity TV series.

1113
01:16:48,527 --> 01:16:53,587
I think we mentioned in one of the episodes, I think that could be a fun continuation.

1114
01:16:54,127 --> 01:16:58,567
If they did do another film, I don't know if I would either want them to just

1115
01:16:58,567 --> 01:17:03,207
like kind of keep going with like Mexican doing like paranormal activity style movies,

1116
01:17:03,347 --> 01:17:06,427
I guess, could be a thing but overall i

1117
01:17:06,427 --> 01:17:09,227
think it's a pretty solid especially in the in

1118
01:17:09,227 --> 01:17:12,067
the front half of it i think it does a great

1119
01:17:12,067 --> 01:17:16,227
job of you know having its formula but then making the

1120
01:17:16,227 --> 01:17:19,147
tweaks when necessary to to switch things up

1121
01:17:19,147 --> 01:17:22,327
but still keep everything like in the spirit and you

1122
01:17:22,327 --> 01:17:25,027
know expanding the lore i think they do it in very

1123
01:17:25,027 --> 01:17:28,087
fun ways uh between especially between three and

1124
01:17:28,087 --> 01:17:32,907
marked ones so yeah you know it's a fun series my list didn't really change

1125
01:17:32,907 --> 01:17:38,347
much from like where i originally had everything rank except two did move up

1126
01:17:38,347 --> 01:17:43,027
a spot to into the top three that was like the only change but besides that

1127
01:17:43,027 --> 01:17:46,747
my list is pretty much the same as it was before very good.

1128
01:17:47,796 --> 01:17:51,656
This is a pretty iconic franchise for this time period, you know,

1129
01:17:51,696 --> 01:17:57,436
like that late 2000s or 2010s. I think you cut out there, Rachel. Oh, sorry.

1130
01:17:58,256 --> 01:18:03,256
It's just an iconic franchise for this kind of period of the 2000s.

1131
01:18:03,456 --> 01:18:06,276
And I think it will continue to be.

1132
01:18:06,336 --> 01:18:11,816
I'm curious to kind of see how it ages over time. But I do think that this will

1133
01:18:11,816 --> 01:18:15,516
continue to be a popular franchise, especially for, you know,

1134
01:18:15,536 --> 01:18:18,856
folks our age and a certain age bracket.

1135
01:18:19,476 --> 01:18:22,356
Curious how younger folks would take to some of these films.

1136
01:18:22,536 --> 01:18:24,336
I don't think we've seen the last of it.

1137
01:18:24,396 --> 01:18:30,876
I have just absolute faith that we will see another paranormal activity story at some point.

1138
01:18:31,096 --> 01:18:35,876
But I do think it's due for a break. Yeah, I think if the last couple of films

1139
01:18:35,876 --> 01:18:40,156
have taught us anything, it's like just needs to be thought about a little bit more.

1140
01:18:40,636 --> 01:18:44,436
What are we doing with this? What is this going to be? Let's think about it

1141
01:18:44,436 --> 01:18:48,236
a little bit more and not feel just rushed to maximize box office and that kind

1142
01:18:48,236 --> 01:18:49,776
of stuff, because that moment has passed.

1143
01:18:49,776 --> 01:18:52,676
Past the franchise has run that box office

1144
01:18:52,676 --> 01:18:56,156
course and so and i think in some ways that's

1145
01:18:56,156 --> 01:18:59,036
not a bad thing because then hopefully if they do come

1146
01:18:59,036 --> 01:19:03,816
back to it um they'll do so do so a little bit more thoughtfully and not feel

1147
01:19:03,816 --> 01:19:11,656
obligated to but we'll see about that um yeah i i i like this franchise overall

1148
01:19:11,656 --> 01:19:17,676
and think it has some interesting some interesting peaks and some less interesting I mean.

1149
01:19:18,836 --> 01:19:21,716
Letting it breathe seems like such a good idea.

1150
01:19:21,816 --> 01:19:26,616
I thought people would never be interested in Child's Play again,

1151
01:19:26,756 --> 01:19:31,396
but letting that one rest a little bit and then doing the show Chucky and kind

1152
01:19:31,396 --> 01:19:33,796
of reinventing itself a bit.

1153
01:19:33,796 --> 01:19:40,156
But also, you know, really having one continuity that's run since like 1988,

1154
01:19:40,476 --> 01:19:45,876
when you think about it in, but still remaining fresh is pretty amazing.

1155
01:19:45,936 --> 01:19:52,576
And looking at like saw 10 and maybe being gone just long enough to tap into

1156
01:19:52,576 --> 01:19:54,976
nostalgia for that time period.

1157
01:19:55,116 --> 01:19:58,496
Like it was gone just long enough where people could miss it.

1158
01:19:58,656 --> 01:20:01,316
Or maybe like jigsaw was not it.

1159
01:20:02,388 --> 01:20:07,288
It ended up being like a huge success for it. So maybe like letting this one rest a little bit.

1160
01:20:07,308 --> 01:20:11,848
I think the only thing that works against this series compared to maybe some

1161
01:20:11,848 --> 01:20:16,248
of the others is it doesn't have that iconography that other series have,

1162
01:20:16,328 --> 01:20:20,828
where you can easily like final destination suffers from that a little bit too.

1163
01:20:20,988 --> 01:20:25,348
It doesn't have something you can easily point to and say like,

1164
01:20:25,408 --> 01:20:32,188
this is the visual image that like roots me to it or the character that roots me to it.

1165
01:20:32,388 --> 01:20:36,348
Kind of anchors me to this series. So it'll be interesting to see what they

1166
01:20:36,348 --> 01:20:38,608
try to do if they try to do something next.

1167
01:20:38,928 --> 01:20:45,148
I think that gives it a lot more potential though too because I think that like

1168
01:20:45,148 --> 01:20:48,928
that opens the door to kind of reestablishing what this is and something like

1169
01:20:48,928 --> 01:20:51,348
next of kin, not saying they have to do it that way,

1170
01:20:51,528 --> 01:20:56,388
but just exploring the idea of paranormal activity in a different way.

1171
01:20:56,468 --> 01:21:01,528
And the way technology has evolved, it's like there's avenues yet to be explored.

1172
01:21:01,528 --> 01:21:02,988
Lord, it's just kind of like the Internet.

1173
01:21:04,308 --> 01:21:08,248
I mean, social media, like there's so much so many things that they could do

1174
01:21:08,248 --> 01:21:11,888
that would still make sense with the found footage angle and tell a story that

1175
01:21:11,888 --> 01:21:16,508
would fit within this kind of this umbrella of what paranormal activity is just

1176
01:21:16,508 --> 01:21:20,888
kind of like what what is that avenue going to be and how hard do they want to commit to it?

1177
01:21:21,328 --> 01:21:25,908
I'm not saying that this will be good or that I want it, but my prediction is

1178
01:21:25,908 --> 01:21:27,248
a remake of the first one.

1179
01:21:28,228 --> 01:21:30,948
Yeah, but don't you think that that is so possible? of all

1180
01:21:30,948 --> 01:21:34,128
i mean i very likely if blumhouse

1181
01:21:34,128 --> 01:21:37,148
has another stumble because they're not exactly

1182
01:21:37,148 --> 01:21:42,428
doing too hot with their original ips that they're putting out recently so like

1183
01:21:42,428 --> 01:21:46,968
if they're desperate enough yeah i could totally see that happening i mean five

1184
01:21:46,968 --> 01:21:53,448
nights at freddy's made a gazillion dollars the exorcist believer that was a

1185
01:21:53,448 --> 01:21:56,128
blumhouse that was a blumhouse Oh, then they're okay then.

1186
01:22:24,828 --> 01:22:28,028
But they're also not anything that I'd be interested in either.

1187
01:22:29,602 --> 01:22:33,182
But I hear what you're saying. Like, I don't think they're hitting it out of

1188
01:22:33,182 --> 01:22:34,342
the park like they used to.

1189
01:22:34,422 --> 01:22:38,642
Like, where I used to get excited when they would release a movie.

1190
01:22:38,762 --> 01:22:42,562
Like, the new Sinister is coming out, or Insidious is coming out,

1191
01:22:42,602 --> 01:22:46,962
and now it's kind of like, it feels more like it's meant for,

1192
01:22:47,022 --> 01:22:52,662
like, kids than it is for, like, you know, hardcore horror fans.

1193
01:22:52,862 --> 01:22:56,182
That's all right. If that's what they're pivoting to, then there's,

1194
01:22:56,182 --> 01:23:00,282
like, Neon and A24 and other stuff that's out there. Yeah. So,

1195
01:23:00,282 --> 01:23:00,282
to get comfortable recording ourselves 24 hours a day, and if we didn't film it, it didn't happen.

1196
01:23:29,602 --> 01:23:32,942
It was a few years ahead of the curb when that occurred.

1197
01:23:33,382 --> 01:23:36,422
I think you're right, Rachel. It's probably not completely dead.

1198
01:23:36,542 --> 01:23:38,022
Everything gets remade eventually.

1199
01:23:38,742 --> 01:23:43,502
Ari, you might be right, especially with that deal they have with Lionsgate,

1200
01:23:43,662 --> 01:23:48,702
where Blumhouse is just going to remake a bunch of old properties as it is right now.

1201
01:23:48,942 --> 01:23:51,422
That might be what it is, a straight-up remake.

1202
01:23:51,802 --> 01:23:57,742
It would be interesting to watch a remake and see how they recontextualize that

1203
01:23:57,742 --> 01:24:02,842
relationship in modern times knowing that it's like yeah this is completely

1204
01:24:02,842 --> 01:24:07,382
toxic if they would be more apparent right out of the gate and play it like that so.

1205
01:24:08,267 --> 01:24:11,427
All right. Well, we're going to put this one to bed for now.

1206
01:24:11,567 --> 01:24:14,447
But before we go, let's plug some stuff.

1207
01:24:14,887 --> 01:24:17,307
So, Devon, what are you mentioning earlier?

1208
01:24:18,107 --> 01:24:20,887
Spectre Cinema Club? What are y'all running with this month?

1209
01:24:21,007 --> 01:24:23,667
You're doing your own found footage thing over there recently, right?

1210
01:24:23,667 --> 01:24:32,727
We did horror anthologies, which we wrapped up with a mega episode of doing

1211
01:24:32,727 --> 01:24:37,767
a tier list of all the individual segments of the VHS movies.

1212
01:24:38,127 --> 01:24:44,027
I can't remember how many there are, but we're doing that with Donato,

1213
01:24:44,187 --> 01:24:48,167
so that is how I got a little bit ahead of the curve for the VHS movies.

1214
01:24:48,167 --> 01:24:50,907
But yeah, so we are wrapping that up.

1215
01:24:51,007 --> 01:24:56,207
And then for May, which is my birthday month, we'll be doing movies from 1994

1216
01:24:56,207 --> 01:24:58,147
as I celebrate my Dirty 30.

1217
01:24:58,387 --> 01:25:04,127
So that's gonna be a fun month as well. So you can find me at underscore daddy

1218
01:25:04,127 --> 01:25:08,107
disco across all social media stuff and letterboxd and everything else.

1219
01:25:08,167 --> 01:25:13,307
And you can hear Spectre Cinema Club every Tuesday with me and my boy Garrett McDowell.

1220
01:25:13,387 --> 01:25:16,267
You can find us at Spectre Cinema on socials.

1221
01:25:17,827 --> 01:25:22,467
Excellent. Rachel, what do you have coming up with Halloweenies and The Losers Club and elsewhere?

1222
01:25:22,467 --> 01:25:26,387
Swear sure yeah so on halloweenies we just

1223
01:25:26,387 --> 01:25:29,527
dropped our first episode of alien resurrection

1224
01:25:29,527 --> 01:25:32,447
and then there'll be another one and

1225
01:25:32,447 --> 01:25:36,167
then we're moving on to you know the greatest films of the alien franchise alien

1226
01:25:36,167 --> 01:25:42,127
versus predator versus predator requiem actually very excited to talk about

1227
01:25:42,127 --> 01:25:47,307
those because i love a good mashup so it's some fun and interesting territory

1228
01:25:47,307 --> 01:25:51,547
to explore And then over on Losers Club,

1229
01:25:51,747 --> 01:25:55,347
we are also in a series over there. We're in the Mr.

1230
01:25:55,827 --> 01:26:01,187
Mercedes series, and we just recorded an episode about that book that I'm on

1231
01:26:01,187 --> 01:26:07,147
and cannot wait to talk all about Hodges, Detective Hodges, the retired Detective

1232
01:26:07,147 --> 01:26:10,007
Hodges and his escapades with Holly Gibney.

1233
01:26:11,121 --> 01:26:16,141
Yeah, and then on the girls and the boys, Jen and I wrapped up season three of the boys.

1234
01:26:16,241 --> 01:26:21,661
So now we're just venturing out into the unknown where we're going to talk about

1235
01:26:21,661 --> 01:26:25,401
Gen V and then while we wait for season four to drop in June.

1236
01:26:25,501 --> 01:26:30,521
So very excited to see what's in store over there. Excellent.

1237
01:26:31,181 --> 01:26:34,401
And how about yourself, Arielle? What do you have going on? Well,

1238
01:26:34,441 --> 01:26:36,581
I will be listening to those Mr. Mercedes episodes.

1239
01:26:36,801 --> 01:26:39,801
I'm excited for that. I've been waiting for you guys to get to those.

1240
01:26:40,701 --> 01:26:44,301
Yeah, you can find me on all the socials at Ari underscore Hellraiser.

1241
01:26:44,441 --> 01:26:47,981
And if you want to, you can pre-order my book about 2000s horror.

1242
01:26:48,101 --> 01:26:49,441
It's called Millennial Nasties.

1243
01:26:49,781 --> 01:26:52,661
If you go to my socials, it's pretty much all I post about now.

1244
01:26:52,781 --> 01:26:55,041
So you can find it there. Excellent.

1245
01:26:55,821 --> 01:26:59,401
Listeners, once again, thank you for the past five years.

1246
01:26:59,561 --> 01:27:04,161
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1247
01:27:04,161 --> 01:27:08,141
listened to and supported our little show here.

1248
01:27:08,681 --> 01:27:13,541
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1249
01:27:13,961 --> 01:27:19,301
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1250
01:27:19,301 --> 01:27:22,881
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1251
01:27:23,061 --> 01:27:28,481
You can follow over on Letterboxd at MikeChumpChange. And we'll be back with

1252
01:27:28,481 --> 01:27:30,281
another franchise in a couple weeks.

1253
01:27:30,421 --> 01:27:34,481
We're going to take a dive into Blade, a little action horror,

1254
01:27:34,641 --> 01:27:37,421
a little superheroics, heroics and a mix of horror where we talk

1255
01:27:37,421 --> 01:27:40,081
with like the day walker himself and some

1256
01:27:40,081 --> 01:27:42,801
of Devon's favorite movies so kind of

1257
01:27:42,801 --> 01:27:48,641
super interested to get into that uh it may take a week off or we might just

1258
01:27:48,641 --> 01:27:54,321
drop like a little bonus style episode next week um see how we feel next weekend

1259
01:27:54,321 --> 01:28:01,941
about recording but until then thank you so much for listening and uh you know just thank you.

1260
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:13,622
Music.